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Re: Summoner Hell - Kameron8 - 08-04-2017
"MegaBlues" Wrote:Youkai aren't nearly strong enough to warrant how troublesome it is to use them.
Youkai and Summoner in general are used in a vast amount of the most powerful setups. I do agree, however, that leveling them shouldn't be this difficult. Nor should it be a reason to justify them being so powerful.
Re: Summoner Hell - Nanovelich - 08-04-2017
"Neus" Wrote:I've noticed that sometimes the pages don't seem to be ordered properly but I'm not sure if it's just in my offline version (because I've messed with my test character's list of youkai for testing purposes).
Yes, it would seem that contracts get shuffled while you're in battle or something along those lines. I can't find a consistency to it, but basically, sometimes you'll be unable to summon one of your contracts because that slot has been reoccupied by a contract you already have summoned. (Summon Storm is the best method for reproducing this.)
Also, when unsummoning, you get names of Youkai that aren't yours. (Belonging to someone else entirely, and it's not like it's people from the same battle/dungeon. I couldn't even tell you if they have to be people who are online or not.)
When I get more information, I'll get screenshots and take it to Bug Reports if someone else doesn't before I do or it's fixed.
Also, I agree with Lone's post.
Re: Summoner Hell - Rendar - 08-04-2017
The general arguement I have seen a lot of (with why summoners are so stupidly good) is that "THEY TAKE FOREVER TO GRIND. SO SUMMONS HAVE TO BE SUPER STRONG" which is a piss poor arguement overall.
Making the grind easier will allow for the class to be cut back a bit on it's huge end-game potential.
Re: Summoner Hell - Sarinpa1 - 08-04-2017
im all for making it easy to level them
especialy so as was said, to finaly nerf the shit out of it
gives fast offense a stink eye
Re: Summoner Hell - Chaos - 08-05-2017
The Summoner Grind REALLY needs to be toned down. Implementing B and/or C would do well towards this.
Once the grind's taken care of, I feel, we can get a proper discussion on balancing Summoner going.
Re: Summoner Hell - Raigen.Convict - 08-08-2017
I wholely agree with chaos. I eventually do want to see a balance in Summoner where it's not overbearing or underwhelming. This is a good start to that.
Re: Summoner Hell - Ranylyn - 08-08-2017
I agree as well. First, let's make it so summons are actually accessible so different setups are easier to test, and also so people are less likely to go "I was grinding my ass off for hours just to get my youkai to not suck, don't take this from me!" Then we can discuss changes to bring them more in line.
Re: Summoner Hell - Neus - 08-17-2017
In the mean time, I've changed it so Youkai can gain multiple levels at once and run-over XP isn't wasted.
Re: Summoner Hell - Raigen.Convict - 08-18-2017
I'd kiss ya dev but that'd make it weird.
(Still thank you.)
Re: Summoner Hell - Swift_kusura - 08-29-2017
Or can we just have youkai level up with the user, cut the grind entirely and set up dedicated balanced stats to the youkai to allow them to perform not over perform.
Never have to say "Hey wait let me summon 18 youkai for this fight to level them all up"