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The forgotten skill- Insulate - Shujin - 11-23-2016 Insulate in itself is a skill that ever, since it was released, I never saw being used at all. I myself, with my bunch of 8123132 Ice characters, never saw a use in it either, because 30% Ice resistance for 3 rounds in exchange for crippling one of your turns is pretty useless. Mainly because it´s Ice resistance. Any Ice user who wants to rely on Ice damage either has IC to give 50% ice weakness or Winterbite. Insulate is not able to help against any of those cause Winterbite kinda simply hard counters it, making it flat out a waste of 3M and in case you are hit by IC, the last thing you want to do is sitting there using 3M to slightly reduce the damage coming your way. (not triggering ice tiles during the duration is also kinda pointless on that class, since you have better options to avoid them. Like Shukichi, Crane hop or any other of the movement skills.) So overall, while interesting in itself as a gimmick, it´s useless in praxis. So how about we make this skill actually useful? Like we could make it a Passive/Active Passive: When equipped you can gain passively Rank*5% Ice resistance and rank*2 Ice Atk. Active: You gain additional Rank*5% Ice resistance and rank*2 Ice atk. benefits from permafrost. This way it´s use in power is comapreable to the enchantment buffs, even when still slightly weaker, and it doesn´t feel like a huge waste to use since you atleast have it open for a while, given you have put into permafrost. I think that could make the skill actually good and give it a place for certain builds. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Soapy - 11-23-2016 It'd be fine if it remained the same but benefitted from Permafrost, really. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Snake - 11-23-2016 What soapy said. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Shujin - 11-23-2016 Well it´s still kinda weak compared to the other buff skills in the game then cause it can still be hard countered by the mentioned skills and be rendered pretty much useless. Which is given that it´s ice a common strategy to begin with, so the enemy doesn´t even have to adjust. So having a slight boost in Ice atk, on similiar level like Kraken without the stat buffs and Ice impact, on the ice class isn´t going to make it overbearing. It´s like +13 damage tops(before reductions), with ice skills. Slightly more when you go the Verglas/evoker route. This way it actually benefits more than just one build. Or more than one gimmick. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Snake - 11-26-2016 Make Insulate cleanse Winter's Bite. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Soapy - 11-26-2016 What, are Boxer mirror matches not boring enough for you? Verglas vs Verglas doesn't need to be a staring contest. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Kameron8 - 11-26-2016 "Soapy" Wrote:What, are Boxer mirror matches not boring enough for you? Yep. This. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Snake - 11-26-2016 But it could cleanse and give immunity to it for 3 rounds. While giving 30% Ice Resistance and using Permafrost as a duration enhancer. Insulate has room for a lot of (extremely needless) stuff that can be added in. But those are just silly ideas I'm having at 4:40 AM, don't take it to the heart. Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Shujin - 12-02-2016 Yeah no, Canceling out Winterbite is a no-no. I kinda want this to be passive because of the way you telegraph it to your enemy when you actively use it. You are litterally saying "Hey, either destroy my Ice resist, or don´t use ice on me atall!" With the passive effect it atleast has the "First Surprise" effect sometimes. Ice resist is already VERY situational. Comparing "Similar" skills: Pretty much why I still believe that simply prolonging a "useless" effect won´t make it suddenly be used. It certainly needs a little more before it isn´t just a skill slot eater that gets maybe used once in a (Ingame) Century. I can´t really think of anything else, this skill could grant to make it also attractive to be used in Teamfights (for non Ice users). And for Ice users the Ice Atk is probably what they want, unless we add another line of "If under Insulate your certain Verglas skill under Fox tree get additional effects!" for team verglas user, Not sure if thats what we want though. Fox tree is kinda lacking for the FP costs, with exception of Expand Ice which is because of it´s range reasonable. But there are already plently of topics about that. long post short: Insulate needs some love, over longer duration, before it ever finds it´s way in the skill pool effectively! Support your local Verglas rights activists and adopt an Insulate for your own skill pool! It needs the love before it dies out! Don´t..... Let it go!~ Re: The forgotten skill- Insulate - Neus - 12-03-2016 I made it provide Frostbite immunity. I don't really want to add more passive sources of elemental resistance. |