02-03-2021, 10:05 PM
From what I can tell, a lot of people are interpreting this entire post as ''yeah, nerf Seiryuu!'' when that ignores what I'm seeing as the main point of the thread. Seiryuu probably should be nerfed in some capacity, but that wouldn't really address the issue of everyone ignoring a large chunk of the Youkai in favor of some clear outliers.
For example, when is the last time any Summoner has used Firefox or Orbello to any notable effect?
Seiryuu, and to a lesser extent, stuff like Drowned Woman and Haku/Chun, have either good stats, good damage, good effects, or all three. Youkai like Firefox, Orbello, Byakko, etc, do not. The issue I still have, however, is how egregiously difficult it would be to allow Summoners to exist as is when every Youkai they summon is as dangerous or useful as Seiryuu.
The overwhelming fixation on how to nerf Seiryuu in this thread pretty clearly demonstrates that other people share this sentiment.
So unless there's a creative solution for changing Summoner or Youkai as a whole, I don't see how feasible it's going to be for every Youkai to get sane, useful stat lines.
For example, when is the last time any Summoner has used Firefox or Orbello to any notable effect?
Seiryuu, and to a lesser extent, stuff like Drowned Woman and Haku/Chun, have either good stats, good damage, good effects, or all three. Youkai like Firefox, Orbello, Byakko, etc, do not. The issue I still have, however, is how egregiously difficult it would be to allow Summoners to exist as is when every Youkai they summon is as dangerous or useful as Seiryuu.
(02-02-2021, 11:18 PM)Kameron8 Wrote: ...
What I don't know, however, is how anyone would be able to fight against Summoners if everything they summoned was viably powerful. As you already mentioned, it's difficult surmounting the skewed action economy when fighting Summoners. Because of that, I don't see how every Youkai could be given sensible stat lines without other reworks that reallocated Summoner power.
The overwhelming fixation on how to nerf Seiryuu in this thread pretty clearly demonstrates that other people share this sentiment.
(02-03-2021, 05:14 AM)Balor Wrote: ...
Far as I am concerned however summoner is just jank, and due to the potential to just burn out people with numbers in a game with this momentum economy. I am like eh on trying to balance it at all when it feels inherently busted.
So unless there's a creative solution for changing Summoner or Youkai as a whole, I don't see how feasible it's going to be for every Youkai to get sane, useful stat lines.