Alright so this has gone from a genuine topic and thing to just a purpose of trying to show why group A and B are absolute garbage and should feel bad for what happened cause of actions that eventually followed and were taken a certain way by group C..
"After that, it felt like a lot of people just oocly decided that Fairview was a lot like Beggar's Hole and some sort of antagonistic faction. And, honestly... From that point on with the ban of Henrik, with the leaving of so many various important people, with the intense amount of focus everyone put on us, we genuinely couldn't do much at all in regards to our plans. Yes, our actions should have consequences, but I'd like to remind everyone that we did have consequences."
There wasn't a intense amount of focus put on you, let me make this abundently clear, I was kept up to date on the side even during my time of stress and where I couldn't be around physically to hear every plan go down, be it cause of time zones, my current choice to step away from SL2 for a day or otherwise, given the amassed mess that followed it.. but there wasn't. There was a conversation with Roland ICly which was following the regard of one of the requirements we we're told by Geladyne at the time, which was they wanted Ashvath to be handed over for a <u>trial</u>, and I ask you keep that word in mind now.. when it was brought up ICly to them asking for them to help so that we could get Ashvath there and back without issue, they asked us to confirm & make sure on that; and the response given was that we would.
Now whatever followed this decision to confirm Ashvath's safety after the trial that turned instead to "uuuuoooggghh you made them quit cause your all ----- (fill in the blank with your own string of words here)" wasn't done by us, cause I've spoken with the related parties on that leading up to hearing someone stepped away from SL2. I wasn't going to pry on that player either for it, I asked them if things we're alright; got a response that they were done with sl2 and stepping away, and gave them a pat emoji and told them to stay strong and take the time they needed.
After they left Meiaquar however, was when I was informed word was sent for my Enforcer at the time, which somehow turned into a ton of people showing up mind you like it was a event fight at the arena or city at the G6, because Ashvath had decided she was going to come by and begin questioning people and accusing others on things. Nonsense insues, and several hours later of what was suppose to be (for what I knew at the time) a hour or two scene at most, became 7; and right after it finished is when Fairview decided to respond by coming in and demanding Ashvath be released.. not before to ask or even request she be let go after, just a immediate "let them go or else." response (Thank you to Dyst on that who helped with some matters beforehand on clearing that up.. into telling them to not.)
This ended up into of course the whole campfire song outside of Meiaquar.. Ashvath trial eventually happened and despite EVERYONE word and claim (even after mind you) that "the Donna going to execute her we have to kill the evil Donna!" they weren't, instead they were exiled from Geladyne despite everything, came home fine and dandy (minus whatever forced injuries that were attempted if any, after twice before..) and moved on from that. It was the following from there that came to be with Ashvath getting exiled; that this proclaimed focus seems to be stemming at least in my eyes.
This wasn't any regard of OOC drama mind you, Ashvath had her own records in Meiaquar, Yuri did as well even if smaller in return. It was just left on that regard though when things followed with Ashvath, we decided instead of dealing with it at the time; that a exile was put out.. and a meeting followed it afterwards. We spoke on different things, began the start and due to TCBlade health at the time, we stopped it until he was no longer available because the entire meeting was wanted to be pushed for by Blade on that. Given what followed after (be it seen as justified or not) with blade's attempted action toward the original lore document and his quitting, no meeting was called to follow, or asked for.
Now this is where I gotta make my voice known on my own issue of things personally.. because a meeting could of been called for again, even if at the time I was unavailable; after we got Satoshi in his position one of the first things honestly should of been to do so, but rather instead; you chose to come into Meiaquar with someone who (the notice of exile was never taken down or given notice of being null in response on the noticeboard by Blade, or Satoshi on that in either matters.) claiming it wasn't existent; and proceeded to get angry with two others because they both..
1. Enforced the exile (even if they tried to take a bribe infront of a cabinet member like a idiot)
2. Made it clear that as a representative in the cabinet, you did not have the power to tell or order the guards.
... and decided instead, you were going to say "well if your gonna do this, than I guess I'll do the same!" instead of; again, asking or calling for a meeting personally. And I know the reason given for not wanting to call one was due to my own (Desiree here hi) personal stress at the time, and all and all? Thank you for considering me on all of this; but if shit is more important to get addressed especially in this regard, not having the emotionally lacking lizard there won't cause any problems. This entire fiasco that erupted from the Fairview situation, after dealing with a constant back to back of things, is what made my stress worse. A meeting to try and appeal things proper would of been fine.
"Eventually, it came down to there was one person that everyone hated in Fairview all because of OOC drama, and even when they were given IC consequences again, and again, and again, a specific group continued to push harder and harder, very clearly trying to remove this person from being able to play the game. This why I state that there was a lot of OOC involved with the Fairview situation. It's not about what all happened ICly, it's about an inherent problem with a specific part of this community. "
Going to be the one the one to maybe sound like a broken record here.. but there was nothing fueling this person because of OOC drama; I'm not sure where that came from, let alone what the number of IC consequences that followed it were unless your counting the matter of the reasons Ashvath was jailed ICly, which followed their own consquences ICly. Personally speaking, there was nothing against mother in a OOC aspect that made us look at them and go "oh yeah, that the one; let's give them a ton of issues and punish them cause heehoo we don't like them oocly!" despite what being made to pass here.
If anything at this point is going to fuel people reason to not be content with them OOCly, it taking private logs in a chat made to discuss matters, and showing how they responded, both from racial remarks that were attempted to be argued over a person Nationality as not understanding what they're saying (Given the large diverse community we have here? I'd say it otherwise.) followed by revealing them actively attempting to blackmail someone and than trying to justify it (the blackmailer for this, not you specifically..) I'd just like to make what I said before, more clear.
I get you weren't happy with what happened, but when your IC actions have IC consquences, you roll with the punches; and while I get your unhappy that Lolzy THOUGHT they saw you guys leave at the time and were unable to confirm (shit happens, you guys proved it was wrong; so it worked out.) it was shown that wasn't the case, and things were fine from there. No one went to drag you out of your rooms or anything like that, people sparred and made jokes to pass the time inbetween the siege even, and ultimately you guys were given at the request all around from Fairview community who was willing to speak and discuss it with GMs, Dev and those selected from Meiaquar's side; to just give you exile, no one got executed despite the claims, everyone who fought or stood with Fairview was given a pass and even shelter if they seeked it and after it all finished they even got told "you can stay here if you want, just expect someone new to run it soon." and people chose to do what they wanted from that point.
"Best of luck to everyone in the SL2 community! I hope Korvara becomes whatever Dev actually wants it to be and can be successful. I hope everyone can aim towards making RP more fun for everyone, and not fall into the same bad tendencies as Eternia, or DU, or RPT, or all the other heavily conflict focused RP games on Byond out there. Sigro was something special in that it avoided that. Korvara is the new Sigro, and it seems to have removed that special part from itself and is leaning into the same exact thing all the others have done. Conflict isn't bad. But nothing but conflict just leads to burn out."
So i've two pieces to give to this.. firstly, I too hope Korvara turns out as Dev is trusting the community to make it, he just handed us a brand new slate of stuff from SL2 and said it our turn to make things like we're a bunch of toddlers being given crayons and Dev that parent watching us cram them up our nose as he internally screams louder every second.. but I have to say (and i understand wanting to do so) what someone finds fun out of an RP, is going to highly depend on each person differently. Some like the conflict side of SL2 where they can duke it out with each other or even take on giant monsters and big bad's ascending to power like our Black Falcon friends, and others enjoy the parties and slice of life aspect that came with things..
That said?.. No matter what style you like or want, SL2 as a whole has always been a RP heavy game, everything that happens, is decided or otherwise; is done through RP. Some people use it to decide "I got the bigger build so i'm winning this!" and stick to the meta stuff and know all the great things and others don't, but living up to the decision that lead to it is the big major thing. It never dodged being a RP heavy game, as it always encouraged it. It just now in Korvara; dev can make it more clear how he wanted people to stick to staying IC and not going about grinding every which way across this new place and actively take it in.
In the end, Fairview had it start as something along the lines of slice of life and could of worked and talked with the leaders respectively so things didn't come to this toward the end of it all, and instead (and i'll quote on this.) "Who side are you going to take? Your brother's or that womans? If she speaks I'll decide for you." and the IC decision that was influenced by your own heavily set RP, was "we're taking this land from you, now please leave." and you got the response of consquences that came from it.
That all said, and I'll go with what I've said before.. I do hope you and whomever else decides to take a break from SL2 either temporarily or permanently, can do so without having any heavy weight of anger, or salt following it. It wasn't the outcome that was wanted or enjoyed, but we take the hands we get dealt on that. Personally speaking despite having to go through the weeks of drama that lead into the matter of the whole thing?.. I got nothing against anyone on either side for it, Fairview responded how they saw fit in the end, and Meiaquar did the same through their own preparations. At the end of the day, it just something that happened in a game and that's fine. Cause we'll all butt heads occasionally and get angry and snippy at one another cause we're human and that just what happens. We can't control our emotions and say no to specific ones, just accept what we said and did. Hope y'all stay in contact with friends and folk atleast, if ya ever need someone to just rant too my DMs are typically always open as well on that.
"After that, it felt like a lot of people just oocly decided that Fairview was a lot like Beggar's Hole and some sort of antagonistic faction. And, honestly... From that point on with the ban of Henrik, with the leaving of so many various important people, with the intense amount of focus everyone put on us, we genuinely couldn't do much at all in regards to our plans. Yes, our actions should have consequences, but I'd like to remind everyone that we did have consequences."
There wasn't a intense amount of focus put on you, let me make this abundently clear, I was kept up to date on the side even during my time of stress and where I couldn't be around physically to hear every plan go down, be it cause of time zones, my current choice to step away from SL2 for a day or otherwise, given the amassed mess that followed it.. but there wasn't. There was a conversation with Roland ICly which was following the regard of one of the requirements we we're told by Geladyne at the time, which was they wanted Ashvath to be handed over for a <u>trial</u>, and I ask you keep that word in mind now.. when it was brought up ICly to them asking for them to help so that we could get Ashvath there and back without issue, they asked us to confirm & make sure on that; and the response given was that we would.
Now whatever followed this decision to confirm Ashvath's safety after the trial that turned instead to "uuuuoooggghh you made them quit cause your all ----- (fill in the blank with your own string of words here)" wasn't done by us, cause I've spoken with the related parties on that leading up to hearing someone stepped away from SL2. I wasn't going to pry on that player either for it, I asked them if things we're alright; got a response that they were done with sl2 and stepping away, and gave them a pat emoji and told them to stay strong and take the time they needed.
After they left Meiaquar however, was when I was informed word was sent for my Enforcer at the time, which somehow turned into a ton of people showing up mind you like it was a event fight at the arena or city at the G6, because Ashvath had decided she was going to come by and begin questioning people and accusing others on things. Nonsense insues, and several hours later of what was suppose to be (for what I knew at the time) a hour or two scene at most, became 7; and right after it finished is when Fairview decided to respond by coming in and demanding Ashvath be released.. not before to ask or even request she be let go after, just a immediate "let them go or else." response (Thank you to Dyst on that who helped with some matters beforehand on clearing that up.. into telling them to not.)
This ended up into of course the whole campfire song outside of Meiaquar.. Ashvath trial eventually happened and despite EVERYONE word and claim (even after mind you) that "the Donna going to execute her we have to kill the evil Donna!" they weren't, instead they were exiled from Geladyne despite everything, came home fine and dandy (minus whatever forced injuries that were attempted if any, after twice before..) and moved on from that. It was the following from there that came to be with Ashvath getting exiled; that this proclaimed focus seems to be stemming at least in my eyes.
This wasn't any regard of OOC drama mind you, Ashvath had her own records in Meiaquar, Yuri did as well even if smaller in return. It was just left on that regard though when things followed with Ashvath, we decided instead of dealing with it at the time; that a exile was put out.. and a meeting followed it afterwards. We spoke on different things, began the start and due to TCBlade health at the time, we stopped it until he was no longer available because the entire meeting was wanted to be pushed for by Blade on that. Given what followed after (be it seen as justified or not) with blade's attempted action toward the original lore document and his quitting, no meeting was called to follow, or asked for.
Now this is where I gotta make my voice known on my own issue of things personally.. because a meeting could of been called for again, even if at the time I was unavailable; after we got Satoshi in his position one of the first things honestly should of been to do so, but rather instead; you chose to come into Meiaquar with someone who (the notice of exile was never taken down or given notice of being null in response on the noticeboard by Blade, or Satoshi on that in either matters.) claiming it wasn't existent; and proceeded to get angry with two others because they both..
1. Enforced the exile (even if they tried to take a bribe infront of a cabinet member like a idiot)
2. Made it clear that as a representative in the cabinet, you did not have the power to tell or order the guards.
... and decided instead, you were going to say "well if your gonna do this, than I guess I'll do the same!" instead of; again, asking or calling for a meeting personally. And I know the reason given for not wanting to call one was due to my own (Desiree here hi) personal stress at the time, and all and all? Thank you for considering me on all of this; but if shit is more important to get addressed especially in this regard, not having the emotionally lacking lizard there won't cause any problems. This entire fiasco that erupted from the Fairview situation, after dealing with a constant back to back of things, is what made my stress worse. A meeting to try and appeal things proper would of been fine.
"Eventually, it came down to there was one person that everyone hated in Fairview all because of OOC drama, and even when they were given IC consequences again, and again, and again, a specific group continued to push harder and harder, very clearly trying to remove this person from being able to play the game. This why I state that there was a lot of OOC involved with the Fairview situation. It's not about what all happened ICly, it's about an inherent problem with a specific part of this community. "
Going to be the one the one to maybe sound like a broken record here.. but there was nothing fueling this person because of OOC drama; I'm not sure where that came from, let alone what the number of IC consequences that followed it were unless your counting the matter of the reasons Ashvath was jailed ICly, which followed their own consquences ICly. Personally speaking, there was nothing against mother in a OOC aspect that made us look at them and go "oh yeah, that the one; let's give them a ton of issues and punish them cause heehoo we don't like them oocly!" despite what being made to pass here.
If anything at this point is going to fuel people reason to not be content with them OOCly, it taking private logs in a chat made to discuss matters, and showing how they responded, both from racial remarks that were attempted to be argued over a person Nationality as not understanding what they're saying (Given the large diverse community we have here? I'd say it otherwise.) followed by revealing them actively attempting to blackmail someone and than trying to justify it (the blackmailer for this, not you specifically..) I'd just like to make what I said before, more clear.
I get you weren't happy with what happened, but when your IC actions have IC consquences, you roll with the punches; and while I get your unhappy that Lolzy THOUGHT they saw you guys leave at the time and were unable to confirm (shit happens, you guys proved it was wrong; so it worked out.) it was shown that wasn't the case, and things were fine from there. No one went to drag you out of your rooms or anything like that, people sparred and made jokes to pass the time inbetween the siege even, and ultimately you guys were given at the request all around from Fairview community who was willing to speak and discuss it with GMs, Dev and those selected from Meiaquar's side; to just give you exile, no one got executed despite the claims, everyone who fought or stood with Fairview was given a pass and even shelter if they seeked it and after it all finished they even got told "you can stay here if you want, just expect someone new to run it soon." and people chose to do what they wanted from that point.
"Best of luck to everyone in the SL2 community! I hope Korvara becomes whatever Dev actually wants it to be and can be successful. I hope everyone can aim towards making RP more fun for everyone, and not fall into the same bad tendencies as Eternia, or DU, or RPT, or all the other heavily conflict focused RP games on Byond out there. Sigro was something special in that it avoided that. Korvara is the new Sigro, and it seems to have removed that special part from itself and is leaning into the same exact thing all the others have done. Conflict isn't bad. But nothing but conflict just leads to burn out."
So i've two pieces to give to this.. firstly, I too hope Korvara turns out as Dev is trusting the community to make it, he just handed us a brand new slate of stuff from SL2 and said it our turn to make things like we're a bunch of toddlers being given crayons and Dev that parent watching us cram them up our nose as he internally screams louder every second.. but I have to say (and i understand wanting to do so) what someone finds fun out of an RP, is going to highly depend on each person differently. Some like the conflict side of SL2 where they can duke it out with each other or even take on giant monsters and big bad's ascending to power like our Black Falcon friends, and others enjoy the parties and slice of life aspect that came with things..
That said?.. No matter what style you like or want, SL2 as a whole has always been a RP heavy game, everything that happens, is decided or otherwise; is done through RP. Some people use it to decide "I got the bigger build so i'm winning this!" and stick to the meta stuff and know all the great things and others don't, but living up to the decision that lead to it is the big major thing. It never dodged being a RP heavy game, as it always encouraged it. It just now in Korvara; dev can make it more clear how he wanted people to stick to staying IC and not going about grinding every which way across this new place and actively take it in.
In the end, Fairview had it start as something along the lines of slice of life and could of worked and talked with the leaders respectively so things didn't come to this toward the end of it all, and instead (and i'll quote on this.) "Who side are you going to take? Your brother's or that womans? If she speaks I'll decide for you." and the IC decision that was influenced by your own heavily set RP, was "we're taking this land from you, now please leave." and you got the response of consquences that came from it.
That all said, and I'll go with what I've said before.. I do hope you and whomever else decides to take a break from SL2 either temporarily or permanently, can do so without having any heavy weight of anger, or salt following it. It wasn't the outcome that was wanted or enjoyed, but we take the hands we get dealt on that. Personally speaking despite having to go through the weeks of drama that lead into the matter of the whole thing?.. I got nothing against anyone on either side for it, Fairview responded how they saw fit in the end, and Meiaquar did the same through their own preparations. At the end of the day, it just something that happened in a game and that's fine. Cause we'll all butt heads occasionally and get angry and snippy at one another cause we're human and that just what happens. We can't control our emotions and say no to specific ones, just accept what we said and did. Hope y'all stay in contact with friends and folk atleast, if ya ever need someone to just rant too my DMs are typically always open as well on that.