Tailoring Expansion

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Tailoring Expansion

Post by Spoops » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:43 am

Tailoring is a rather less than stellar craft at the current moment, due to the sheer lack of volume of craftable items (About 5 items and 3 weapon parts off the top of my head) tailoring has going for it, is it possible we could obtain more craftable items for tailors? To make it feel like having it can be useful?

Here are a list of cloth items that I've gathered that would make a lot of sense and wouldn't take away from the pool of drops considering their rarities:
(Accessories)
Red Cape
Sylph Cloak (25%)
Scarf (25%)
(Torso)
Battle Maid Dress
Berserker Shell
Boltstruck Gi
Flamedance Gi
Frosttouch Gi
Ninja Armor
Priest Robe
Warding Cloth
Windswept Gi
(Gloves)
Ghosthand
Green Gloves
Rogue's Work Gloves
(Shoes)
Green Soles
Firewalker's Boots (25%)
Kickboxing Shoes
Ogata's Waraji
Shoes of Swiftness
Void Walker (25%)
Worn Gumshoe (25%)
The idea behind the resist items is that at 25% they're good enough to sell but not high enough to take priority over randomly dropped ones with high percentages.

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Re: Tailoring Expansion

Post by K Peculier » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:47 am

I approve.

Tailoring and woodworking in general don't have much use currently.
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Re: Tailoring Expansion

Post by Trexmaster » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:28 am

This might be a bit of a long one since there's a few other issues with crafting in general to look at that have cropped up as new additions have been made, namely the conception of Tools and Material Kits making higher levels of certain crafts obsolete (Tailoring being one of them).

I can definitely get behind adding more previously uncraftable items as recipes for Tailoring considering how woefully underpopulated the list is.

Especially when you take into account how many new recipes have been added to other crafting types.
Comparing recipe lists (Tailoring - Metalworking - Wood Working)
Tailoring gets a small handful of weapon components and a few low level torso items. And the recently added Plus items (that are on the more lackluster side of the upgrades)
Standard String
Silk String
Wire String
Wrist Strings
Tight String
Roughspun Tunic
Wisp Cloak
Armor of Nails
Whynesfelt
Leather Knuckles
Wrapped Knuckles
Double String
Chunin Gloves Plus
Kickboxing Shoes Plus
Holy Soles Plus
For a grand total of 16 recipes for the whole craft. 8 Weapon components, 4 Torsos, two Shoe slot items, and one Hand slot item. The only crafts requiring more than one invested point to have a chance to succeed with Cotton are Double String and Wrapped Knuckles at Difficulty 5.

To put it into perspective, I'll layout a few lists of other craft's available recipes. While sheer quantity does not dictate the usefulness of a craft, it's undeniable that while what Tailoring provides is unique it is grossly eclipsed in usefulness by many of the other crafts still, and the same goes for a few other crafts that aren't Metalworking, Alchemy, Enchanting, Tool Creation, and Cooking. Which is basically just Wood Working. So really, most crafts are in a good spot having a relevant niche in the crafting world (Most crafts in the game, Material Kits, Enchanting in general, Quality upgrades, food. just food.) aside from the two black sheep, Tailoring and Wood Working.

Without further ado, Metalworking's terrifying list of recipes.
Breastplate
Mayelia
Irisgold
Zwellrauss
Half-Plate
Metal Gauntlet
Metal Greaves
Metal Buckler
Metal Shield
Longsword
Wo-Dao
Bloody Fang
Moonblade
Eresh
Fuuma
River Sword
Nelten
Swordfish Sword
Crystal Blade
Golgorth
Shine Sword
Magical Star
Standard Blade
Serrated Blade
Razor Blade
Balanced Blade
Piercing Blade
Huge Blade
Standard Guard
Sturdy Guard
Full Guard
Empty Guard
Razor Guard
Locking Guard
Standard Hilt
Firm Hilt
Sharp Hilt
Onigan Hilt
Insulated Hilt
Axe
Battleaxer
Gorger
Sweeper
Guillotine
Battlepick
Icebreaker
Grand Axe
Graality
Burngada
Magical Sun
Standard Axehead
Tempered Axehead
Guillotine Axehead
Cutting Axehead
Curved Axehead
Spiked Axehead
Spear
Javelin
Duodent
Impaler
Holy Lance
Siphon
Shizumare
Greatspear
Soulstealer
Voidcut
Abberation Spear
Magical Moon
Standard Spearhead
Barbed Spearhead
Crescent Spearhead
Hollow Spearhead
Thin Spearhead
Hooked Spearhead
Standard Pole
Helix Pole
Curved Pole
Flexible Pole
Extended Pole
Chain String (sniping the highest difficulty string off tailoring)
Brawler's Glove
Knuckledusters
Tenderizers
Needler
Bear Claws
Magical Comet
Jackhammer
Magical Nova
Ensui
Narcus
Kirosh
Setsuna
Standard Knuckles
Dense Knuckles
Elongated Knuckles
Spiked Knuckles
Standard Wrist
Wrist Guard
Spiked Wrist
Loose Wrist
Weighted Wrist
Standard Barrel
Short Barrel
Wide Barrel
Long Barrel
Double Barrel
Sniper Barrel
Standard Grip
Soft Grip
Steady Grip
Revolver Grip
Extended Grip
Custom Grip
Standard Bullets
Aerodynamic Bullets
Piercing Bullets
Hellhound Bullets
Scatter Bullets
Dagger
Throwing Dagger
Shuriken
Stinger
Dagger of Bleeding
Suzaku Tessen
Byakko Tessen
Seiyru Tessen
Konosekai
Magical Photon
Metal Gauntlet Plus
Crownbleeder Plus
Beastfoe Shield Plus
Firefoe Shield Plus
Plantfoe Shield Plus
Undeadfoe Shield Plus
Combat Boots Plus
Metal Greaves Plus
Shadow Plus
I may have missed a few but from my count, including the recent Plus items(adding 9 new recipes to it), that brings Metalworking to 138 unique recipes. 61 of which are Weapon Components, accounting for roughly 71% of all the game's Weapon Components.

Lastly, I'll show Wood Working's recipes.
Wooden Longsword
Wooden Katana
Wooden Nelten
Wooden Hilt
Quarterstaff
Warstaff
Wooden Pole
Bow
Hunting Bow
Redwing
Nighthunt
Gel'Naia
Longbow
Knightslayer
Soulshot
Bow of the Green Forest
Magical Meteor
Thorn Shooter
Standard Body
Compact Body
Focused Body
Large Body
Standard Arrows
Sharp Arrows
Light Arrows
Fire Arrows
Thin Arrows
Heavy Arrows
28 total recipes for Wood Working, 12 of which are Weapon Components.

I won't bother laying out the lists of the others, as Tool Creation, Alchemy, Enchanting, and Cooking all have clearly unique recipes with a different purpose entirely--with Enchanting serving the dual purpose of applying enchants to gear. I can also safely say each one has many, many more recipes than either Wood Working or Tailoring. Metalworking was displayed as its the most similar in purpose to the two (creating base gear to be modified/weapon components).
The verdict
So we have 16 (Tailoring), 28 (Wood Working), then 138 (Metalworking). No guesses as to which craft attracts more people. Especially when you consider that with bare minimum investment, you can still technically make all the parts from Tailoring with one point and Wood Working with two, assuming Legend Ink investments are made, leaving your remaining 4 points to completely max out Metalworking.

With material kits making higher than necessary crafting level obsolete, it's no longer a boon to be able to craft armor/torsos with higher grade materials when an Alchemy spec'd crafter can simply print a kit out (not to mention this method is essentially mandatory for creating higher difficulty weapons/armors into remains materials). Level 6 is just for 100% success chance on the highest difficulty Weapon Components, Material Kits, Magic Stones, and Quality Tools. The issue being it takes away the impact of hitting 'Great Success' on weapons and armor.

Thus with all this in mind, you can see why Tailoring (and Wood Working to a similar extent) needs to have its repertoire expanded to compete with Big Brother Metalworking. Porting over previously uncraftable items already present in the game is a good start, and for Tailoring this is a staggeringly high number given so many Cloth material items are not presently craftable. This solution wouldn't be as easy for Wood Working given the relative scarcity of wooden equipment outside Bows and a small number of uncraftable Spears.
My own solutions
I'd propose trying to give the three 'base-item' crafters (Metalworking, Tailoring, Wood Working) their own niche to promote specialists in these three just as Tool Creation, Alchemy, Enchanting, and Cooking have carved their own niche in the system.

My own idea for such a system would be something along the lines of unique quality upgrades that apply only to crafts made while at the maximum achievable level (6). Like additional Phys Def or chance to proc Eviter or something. It'd take some thought to iron out. A simpler version of this change could be to have Quality Tools applied by the appropriate craftsmen (I.E. a Metalworker applying tools to a Longsword) having a greater effect.

Another, more simple idea, is allowing higher level crafters to raise the Upgrade Level of items relevant to their craft slightly higher. Not super impactful but still desirable to those wanting to squeeze all the numbers they can get out of their gear, thus creating a demand for the formerly nigh-useless crafters. Sort of. Metalworking would still reign supreme with this method given the amount of Metal items.

Ultimately the issue that needs to be solved is the lack of incentive to be a level 6 (or even 5) Tailor or Wood Worker compared to the far more useful facets you could commit your 7 crafting levels to. A perfect balance is impossible, they just need to have something that's more frequently desired than Wrist Strings and Heavy Arrows to compete with Material Kits and other such coveted consumables. The ideas I've provided are purposefully bare bones as I just want to spark possible avenues to take for poor Tailors and Wood Workers out of the job.
Tl;DR
Ushering in more present items into the crafting pools of the lesser used crafts is a step in the right direction, but to remain relevant they'll need to have a niche on par with the present crafting giants(Alchemy/Enchanting/Cooking/Tool Creation) to incentivize players into spending levels raising them rather than ignoring them outright the vast majority of the time, likely in the form of unique consumables or interactions with relevant gear to their profession to creative incentive to commit to the lesser represented crafts.

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Re: Tailoring Expansion

Post by iStabOreos » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:16 pm

Yeah surprisingly tailoring and woodworking doesn't get much at all if anything. I might be wrong but I approve of this suggestion
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Re: Tailoring Expansion

Post by Senna » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:16 am

Mmm, it would be pretty nice to have more stuff to make for tailor and woodwork so senna approval.
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