"Spoops" Wrote:RP Should be first and foremost, but that doesn't stop tactics from rising up and being better than any other, thats meta and it always happens, balance is a constant effort.

The points in your post would be fine and dandy if this wasn't an RP game, I guess that occurs as a second thought to the Ephemeral group though.

"WaifuApple" Wrote:Yeah, we should really wait for Dev. As a note, however, keep in mind that revival and healing are not the only things in the arsenal of a healer. They can also deal quite a bit of damage, too, without really sacrificing their healing and revival capabilities all that much. Someone who can go good damage, tank damage, too, and heal and revive themselves and allies...

...and you really can't see why it would be considered OP?

"Yark" Wrote:

"Spoops" Wrote:I've already expressed and combatted many of the points brought up in the thread, I'm simply waiting for another solution to pop up, though I still stand by than an abuse-able strategy should be stomped out at the heel of the problem.

There are a dozen strategies I can think of, off the top of my head, that you might say are abuse. (We are a very creative bunch, after all.) And I can sympathize with role-play being your first priority, and will not attempt to fault you for it. You've got your dark-themed, armor-clad warrior guy, and that's a pretty cool concept! However, you cannot expect to do well against everyone you come across. With that in mind, you can either choose to avoid confrontation with folks like us, or you can keep picking fights and complaining about the results.

"Spoops" Wrote:we did rather well against your team in that fight specifically so I don't bring it up

"Nerserus" Wrote:

"Spoops" Wrote:we did rather well against your team in that fight specifically so I don't bring it up

So overall game balance is dictated by whether you personally can win against us or not?

Understandable, have a good day.

"Farkon" Wrote:Impossible to do. You are either tanking/healing or Damage/healing. There's not enough stat points to go around for all of it.

Quote:Impossible to do. You are either tanking/healing or Damage/healing. There's not enough stat points to go around for all of it.

It is very much possible to build for large amount of tanking and good healing while packing quite the punch with damage. Because healing spells such as Graft, Phoenix, Healing Discharge (and maybe a few others I might be forgetting) not only go off Light ATK, but they also account for Scaled Weapon Attack.

You just need a casting tool that you can stack Scaled Weapon Attack with that also happens to tie in with your defensive stats. For example, the fan tomes.



They come in several flavors. STR/WIL/CEL, WIL/CEL/LUC, WIL/SKI/DEF and finally... WIL/DEF/LUC. All of them at 50%, giving a grand total of 150% scaling.

And what happens when you build for the (very much common) fan tomes, or anything that you can stack Scaled Weapon Attack with that works for a casting tool?

You get stuff like this, and I figured it out just by running damage tests on myself:





In the second screenshot is a Graft followed up by a Phoenix. Assuming I had access to Healing Discharge, I could very much easily pop another 200+ HP heal. The target enemy for Focused Beam has One-on-One (10% DR) and Unarmored Evasion (30% DR) as well as 17 RES.

And I definitely have tanky stats.





I don't have any FAI investment. That FAI is a result of stat mods from Hikari's Blessing, Well Fed and stamps. In fact, this character wasn't meant to be a healer- it so happens that it's capable of healing a good amount through SWA alone. Status Resist isn't much of an issue because if I get pulled into Strangling Etacof, I can weapon-swap to a Screaming Tome and use Screamer. Poison isn't a threat, because I'm a Dullahan in this case.

What would happen if I decided to be a more optimal race for healing and concentrate on that a little bit more instead?

I present you a generic metafied Elf doomwall with LB/Priest Destiny Curate:



Accounting for...

Aegis from Curate.
Lantern Bearer's +6 RES.
Priest's +5 WIL/FAI from Staves, and +6 FAI innate.
Hikari's Blessing.
Well Fed LV2 from Fugu Katsu, which is +2 all stats.
+2 DEF from Geojewel Bloody Palms (for LV12 Hunted)
+2 WIL/RES from High Mage's Cape.

And finally, a Rebelling Chorus with Pristine Pages (+2 Power).

The rest of equipment is very much optional, you could include a Paper Charm to have your Status Resist amount up to 188 (with Anti-Status trait) or you could swap the Bloody Palms for a Beldam Aegis (30% lightning resistance and +2 DEF).

Skill Slots are not a catastrophic issue here. You get +5 from Spellbook, and +5 from Destiny.

Having good healing while having good damage, and having good tank is very much easy in the current state of the game - and that's part of the reason why Badly Beaten should reduce healing effectiveness, even if it's by 25%. The example I had provided was an Elf, but even then, there's other races that may prove to be even better (such as Glykin).

"Fern" Wrote:Alright, well, there's a few things I'd like to give my own input on.

Quote:Impossible to do. You are either tanking/healing or Damage/healing. There's not enough stat points to go around for all of it.

Long post warning.

It is very much possible to build for large amount of tanking and good healing while packing quite the punch with damage. Because healing spells such as Graft, Phoenix, Healing Discharge (and maybe a few others I might be forgetting) not only go off Light ATK, but they also account for Scaled Weapon Attack.

You just need a casting tool that you can stack Scaled Weapon Attack with that also happens to tie in with your defensive stats. For example, the fan tomes.



They come in several flavors. STR/WIL/CEL, WIL/CEL/LUC, WIL/SKI/DEF and finally... WIL/DEF/LUC. All of them at 50%, giving a grand total of 150% scaling.

And what happens when you build for the (very much common) fan tomes, or anything that you can stack Scaled Weapon Attack with that works for a casting tool?

You get stuff like this, and I figured it out just by running damage tests on myself:





In the second screenshot is a Graft followed up by a Phoenix. Assuming I had access to Healing Discharge, I could very much easily pop another 200+ HP heal. The target enemy for Focused Beam has One-on-One (10% DR) and Unarmored Evasion (30% DR) as well as 17 RES.

And I definitely have tanky stats.





I don't have any FAI investment. That FAI is a result of stat mods from Hikari's Blessing, Well Fed and stamps. In fact, this character wasn't meant to be a healer- it so happens that it's capable of healing a good amount through SWA alone. Status Resist isn't much of an issue because if I get pulled into Strangling Etacof, I can weapon-swap to a Screaming Tome and use Screamer. Poison isn't a threat, because I'm a Dullahan in this case.

What would happen if I decided to be a more optimal race for healing and concentrate on that a little bit more instead?

I present you a generic metafied Elf doomwall with LB/Priest Destiny Curate:



Accounting for...

Aegis from Curate.
Lantern Bearer's +6 RES.
Priest's +5 WIL/FAI from Staves, and +6 FAI innate.
Hikari's Blessing.
Well Fed LV2 from Fugu Katsu, which is +2 all stats.
+2 DEF from Geojewel Bloody Palms (for LV12 Hunted)
+2 WIL/RES from High Mage's Cape.

And finally, a Rebelling Chorus with Pristine Pages (+2 Power).

The rest of equipment is very much optional, you could include a Paper Charm to have your Status Resist amount up to 188 (with Anti-Status trait) or you could swap the Bloody Palms for a Beldam Aegis (30% lightning resistance and +2 DEF).

Skill Slots are not a catastrophic issue here. You get +5 from Spellbook, and +5 from Destiny.

Having good healing while having good damage, and having good tank is very much easy in the current state of the game - and that's part of the reason why Badly Beaten should reduce healing effectiveness, even if it's by 25%. The example I had provided was an Elf, but even then, there's other races that may prove be even better (such as Glykin).