[firehawk11]

It is time for the dreaded, Youkai balance patch! No really, Youkai have nod love giving to them for so long and their skills seem outdated to a long forgotten era of SL2...Actually maybe that should be the next big thing is a Summoner rework and Youkai balance patch. Since I believe every Youkai should ascend an dnot only four....It is weird that some can not do so.

[Raigen.Convict]

I'm not gonna lie, ascendeds feel like they should remain rare as powerful picks with good strengths but do not fulfill specific niches while other youkai have niches they DO WELL AT, better than they do now, which is where a rework comes in. I would not oppose ascension becoming widespread, though. Or if it remained only the four... I kinda liked how youkai evolved in sl1 and want Ascension to be similar.

[TorientalVortX]

In regards to mass ascension....

Looks yall know me well enough. Don't think I need to say lol

[Nekojinn]

Didn't Grandsummoner *just* go through a rework? Youkai received a lot of love not long ago.

[Rendar]

And everyone that actually used it kind of agreed it was a whole lot of nothing.

[TheGhostlyKnight]

The Grandsummoner changes did not actually do much to youkai as a whole and just further pushed the fact the big problem IS generally the youkai when it comes to the classes (with the exception of john invoke, who like this forum originally said mainly just needs fp stuff and a few maybe given better numbers to compete with the really good ones). All in all I agree that fp costs should be reduced, It'd be very nice. Esp when one of the primary invoke using classes also proceeds to lost health as they invoke more often than not.

[TorientalVortX]

Speaking of this...

Thats def another thing that should certainly be looked at considering the skills are the same damage for...more cost (hp as well) granted for 2m after scoring a crit in the first place

[TheGhostlyKnight]

I'm fine with like, the damage they deal and such. Like you said its when they would be reduced to 2m with bloody shift. I just think it can be way more costly than it should be when you need to hit the crit in the first place, and its the one designed around a lot more invocations than summoning. Esp when in the same class technically you DO get a element boost (though honestly mild to hot take: Raise the amount of ele atk you get to like, 10 or 15 or something idk)

[Collector]

This thread causes me pain.

Not because of the opinions posted here; some of those are valid. What causes me pain is the naming convention of Youkai Evokes and Invocations, which are different things. Because of this distinction, the following things are true:

• An Invocation is lengthy verbal spellcasting.
  
• Evocation is partially summoning a youkai and abusing its powers. (Their Evoke-Passive and Evoke-Active).
  
• Evoker's Evocation passive, "for which the Evoker is named", applies to all Invocations, but only to Evokes that are spells.
  
• Grand Summoner's Evoke Mastery passive only applies to Evokes, and does not apply to Evoker's Invocations.
  
• Evoker cannot evoke. Evoker can only cast Invocations. 
  
• Grand Summoner can both cast an Invocation and Evoke.
  
• If a Youkai were ever granted an Invocation, a summoner would Evoke their Invocation.
  
• Lord's Flame's text details that it "Invokes a burst of fire", although it is a Youkai Evoke, and not an Invocation.
  
• The Chain Cast passive means a Shapeshifter can Evoke Orbello's Evoke to gain their Evoke and a buff to their Evokes and Invokes.
  

I hate it here.