06-13-2016, 07:03 PM
So, I guess I'll provide some visual evidence here, just to solidify that hey, maybe critical bonuses (with just stats and weapon mods) is a tad insane.
Here is a picture of a character that Sawrock plays.
This character doesn't look impressive because they're a glass cannon, but people build similar things to this exact character archetype all the time, generally with about the same stats. (Other races can compensate for human failure). Squishy Glass cannon, build could be better but thats how Saw rolls.
Here is my character.
(PS: Missing 25 crit evade in the picture because no boneheart is equipped)
My character has nothing in the way of being offensive because I am a BK/Priest. I built up my FAI and LUC specifically so I couldn't be crit. Not only can I instantly lose 40 crit evade if someone uses dark water (or black bubble) on me... I also have no real options for fighting back. I'm using a mugendai because it scales better for me due to godrod still being bugged. If God Rod did work, I'd likely use the Overgrowth staff, even though it doesn't fit the theme of the character whatsoever because it isn't shitty STR scaling like the SoE, or low power like the other staves. My build (with just a mugendai) is limited to very few offensive moves (almost all of which can be shut down with a good silence.)
Hanging
Holy Spark
Shine Ray
Needle (man that minor damage is gonna be lovely)
Gentle Torrent
Invocations from Priest (hahahaha no)
Holy Arrow
Kel
Anddd Basic attacks (should I ever hit).
Now looking between our stats, you'll see that his crit is just shy of my 155 actual crit evade. This would seem to make it that VA/Kensei is fine and dandy and no problems are there. Except Kensei reduces my crit evade, evade, and hit by 15 points (more if he does some janky stuff with status afflictions iirc). If he attacks my back, he gets +20 crit from VA. If he uses Poise he gets +18 (*2 if its perfect poise). If he uses Northern Wind, it's +30. If he uses Eastern Wind, that's another +9 or 10 SKI.
So calculating that all in all
Attacker Bonuses
Weapon+stats so far - +146
Blade Mastery maybe not factored in - +5
Back Attack - +20
Perfect Poise - +36
Northern Wind - +30
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232-237% critical chance
If he really needs it, He can Veil Off and gain +60 more crit as well.
Defending Side
Stats+Armor so far - +105
Negation- +50
Kensei Shenanigans- -15
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140 Crit Evade
There is nothing in the middle of the fight that I can do to raise my crit evade either. This means that the VA/Kensei in question actually has nearly a 100% critical chance on me. If that's 'balanced' I'm. Iunno. I think we have more pressing matters than the Reckoning.
If we focus on what Spo was saying, in shifting 1/2 of DEF into crit evade once more, and lowering either SKI's CRIT chance (which is preferable, since SKI is a god-stat at the moment) or LUC's crit chance to 1/2 of what it is...
The Attacker will get about.. -25 crit (or -30 if LUC).
The defender will get about +17 crit evade.
This brings it at least, somewhat more in line to 'balanced'... The Black Knight is still getting 50-60% of the time, and a Veil Off will make it 100% again. The issue therein still lies in that people who aren't black knights? Or don't specifically build for FAI/LUC are still at a massive downside that they can, and will, be critically hit all of the time. If we reduced SKI and LUC to giving only 0.5% crit per, it'd make BKs have a good deal of crit evade, and would make it so normal people that aren't BKs don't get crit 100% of the time.
Here is a picture of a character that Sawrock plays.
This character doesn't look impressive because they're a glass cannon, but people build similar things to this exact character archetype all the time, generally with about the same stats. (Other races can compensate for human failure). Squishy Glass cannon, build could be better but thats how Saw rolls.
Here is my character.
(PS: Missing 25 crit evade in the picture because no boneheart is equipped)
My character has nothing in the way of being offensive because I am a BK/Priest. I built up my FAI and LUC specifically so I couldn't be crit. Not only can I instantly lose 40 crit evade if someone uses dark water (or black bubble) on me... I also have no real options for fighting back. I'm using a mugendai because it scales better for me due to godrod still being bugged. If God Rod did work, I'd likely use the Overgrowth staff, even though it doesn't fit the theme of the character whatsoever because it isn't shitty STR scaling like the SoE, or low power like the other staves. My build (with just a mugendai) is limited to very few offensive moves (almost all of which can be shut down with a good silence.)
Hanging
Holy Spark
Shine Ray
Needle (man that minor damage is gonna be lovely)
Gentle Torrent
Invocations from Priest (hahahaha no)
Holy Arrow
Kel
Anddd Basic attacks (should I ever hit).
Now looking between our stats, you'll see that his crit is just shy of my 155 actual crit evade. This would seem to make it that VA/Kensei is fine and dandy and no problems are there. Except Kensei reduces my crit evade, evade, and hit by 15 points (more if he does some janky stuff with status afflictions iirc). If he attacks my back, he gets +20 crit from VA. If he uses Poise he gets +18 (*2 if its perfect poise). If he uses Northern Wind, it's +30. If he uses Eastern Wind, that's another +9 or 10 SKI.
So calculating that all in all
Attacker Bonuses
Weapon+stats so far - +146
Blade Mastery maybe not factored in - +5
Back Attack - +20
Perfect Poise - +36
Northern Wind - +30
---------------------------
232-237% critical chance
If he really needs it, He can Veil Off and gain +60 more crit as well.
Defending Side
Stats+Armor so far - +105
Negation- +50
Kensei Shenanigans- -15
---------------------------
140 Crit Evade
There is nothing in the middle of the fight that I can do to raise my crit evade either. This means that the VA/Kensei in question actually has nearly a 100% critical chance on me. If that's 'balanced' I'm. Iunno. I think we have more pressing matters than the Reckoning.
If we focus on what Spo was saying, in shifting 1/2 of DEF into crit evade once more, and lowering either SKI's CRIT chance (which is preferable, since SKI is a god-stat at the moment) or LUC's crit chance to 1/2 of what it is...
The Attacker will get about.. -25 crit (or -30 if LUC).
The defender will get about +17 crit evade.
This brings it at least, somewhat more in line to 'balanced'... The Black Knight is still getting 50-60% of the time, and a Veil Off will make it 100% again. The issue therein still lies in that people who aren't black knights? Or don't specifically build for FAI/LUC are still at a massive downside that they can, and will, be critically hit all of the time. If we reduced SKI and LUC to giving only 0.5% crit per, it'd make BKs have a good deal of crit evade, and would make it so normal people that aren't BKs don't get crit 100% of the time.