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The Verglas is Half-Empty
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Since Verglas changes have been mentioned lately, I think it'd be a good opportunity to talk about some shortcomings and how they could perhaps be improved. First I'd like to outline the issues I found:

- Heavy skill point investments makes building for Verglas as a non-Destiny feel restrictive.
- Offensive skills are too FP heavy for a combo reliant class (barring Expanding Ice).
- Using Ice Point and Ice Point buffs takes too long to set up for what they provide.
- Icicle Spear is underpowered due to the above issues and because of it's mandatory set up with Ice Point Guard and lack of good payoff.
- Permafrost is a dated skill and takes SP away from an already SP hungry class.


Here's what I'd like to suggest to resolve these issues:

- Lower the SP costs on some Skills.
I'd say lowering some skills to 3SP would do the trick. I'd suggest ones like Point Kick, Rising Kick, Ice Point Guard, Ice Point Greaves, Bear's Might, Fox's Cunning, Hare's Agility. (I'd put Permafrost here too but I think I'd prefer it being changed or removed entirely.)

- Lower the FP costs on some Skills, mostly Offensive ones.
Point Kick and Rising Kick are pretty straightforward and don't do much on their own, especially when similar skills (such as Rising Tide) cost only 11FP. I think it's only fair they have their current FP cost halved.
21/22/23/24/25FP -> 16/15/14/13/12FP

Cold Front is a bit more interesting since it can knockback a fair distance and has more damage potential with Ice Point synergy so I'd say it deserves to be more expensive than above but not by much.
21/22/23/24/25FP -> 14/15/16/17/18FP

Icicle Spear is horrendously expensive to use when you consider the set up cost on top of the upfront 42FP one. There's a lot of changes I want to do beyond FP cost but I'll mention them a bit further down but FP-wise, I'd say it should be greatly reduced.
50/48/46/44/42 -> 28/27/26/25/24FP

Like above, Crawling Spikes is also too costly but is much more useful than Icicle Spear currently since it generates an Ice Point and needs no set up to do. I'd say bringing it down to the 25-30FP range is fair since you get the bonus Ice Point out of it. The only change beyond cost I'd like is perhaps being able to resize the line.
50/48/46/44/42FP -> 32/31/30/29/28FP

Expanding Ice given it's potential range and effect should retain it's current cost.

Rapid Kick, like Icicle Spear suffers from set up costs to consider. 10FP for the Ice Point, 10FP for your Greaves then 25FP for the actual Kick. On top of that, it also already has 20% less SWA than the Bear Skills despite damage being it's use point. I think for a skill that's little more than a boot flavored Thousand Stab, it should probably have about the cost of it.
21/22/23/24/25FP -> 11/12/13/14/15FP

While I'd say these Axe Kick and Face Stomp are probably the ones that need the cost reduction the least since they're fairly good at what they do, I think in the spirit of keeping Verglas' overall costs down a slight reduction is in order.
Axe Kick and Face Stomp: 21/22/23/24/25FP -> 16/17/18/19/20FP

While Ice Point Guard is not an offensive skill, it should probably be in line with Ice Point Greaves since the DEF/RES buff was halved and it'll at least reduce the Icicle Spear synergy cost by another 10FP.
20FP -> 10FP

- Change Ice Point, Ice Point Guard and Ice Point Greaves to 2M skills.
This would allow you to get the functional benefits from Ice Point Guard and Greaves without burning two turns worth of actions. It also reduces the effective Momentum Cost of Icicle Spear from 9M to 7M. As well as synergizing well with Chimera Style since that also causes other skills to be 2M, meaning you could fit in an Ice Point or buff between a combo. (e.g. Crawling Spikes -> Ice Point Greaves -> Rapid Kick)

- Buff Icicle Spear.
Lower the FP costs (as above): 50/48/46/44/42 -> 28/27/26/25/24FP
Ice Point and Ice Point Guard reduced to 2M skills (as above).
Make it so Icicle Spear can be used without Ice Point Guard.
Icicle Spear now (normally) has a range of 8 tiles.
Icicle Spear still consumes Ice Point Guard if available, instead this will allow it to have map-wide range as it now does, increase it's damage by 50% and apply Frozen (LV = Rank*20) for 3 Rounds.

Icicle Spear is currently the most expensive skill in Verglas' arsenal (since you need 10FP for the Ice Point, 20FP for the Ice Point Guard and 42FP for Icicle Spear, for a total of 72FP for one attack), it also has the Momentum Cost of having to set up those three skills but doesn't offer enough to justify the costs.

Since it doesn't do more damage then most 3M offensive skills and the Frostbite it causes is only Level 20, it's only notable redeeming quality is that it can travel across the entire map and while that is a nice perk, there's some skills that can also effectively do that without such a high cost or investment: Ghost Arrow, Shinken and Heaven Kick (which is something Verglas has access to) are ones that immediately come to mind.

I feel without Ice Point Guard though, the map-wide coverage innately might be a little much so I left that as a feature of the combination rather than a given.

Since Frozen is a more recent addition, Verglas didn't get it at the time of being released... however, I think out of all classes, Verglas is certainly most fitting for it and it's a suitably powerful effect for Icicle Spear synergy since it has the set-up requirements to not be too overbearing, so I think it's an ideal bonus.


- Make the Duration of Ice Points increased by the Freeze sub-talent, just like Ice Sheets and classify Ice Point Guard and Ice Point Greaves as Enchant skills, so they are able to have their duration increased by the Prolong sub-talent.
- Change or remove Permafrost.

Permafrost is a bit of a relic. As of the Talent rework, you can get increased Ice Sheet duration without this perk. So I think tying these effects to talents is overall a better step to take, considering this class is already pretty SP starved and this can sometimes feel like a mandatory pick up if you want to use the Ice Point buffs, which I feel they should just be lengthy enough without it.
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