02-02-2021, 08:45 PM
It's no secret that Seiryuu is by far and away the strongest of the Youkai to a point where it isn't even funny. A few patches ago, dragon base stats got tweaked downward while all the other races got increased base stats. This was a small step in the right direction, but it didn't fix the biggest issue in that aside from Seiryuu, by large the rest of the Youkai just have really shitty stat spreads.
The thing is, dragons still have the best stat spread and not only that, but Seiryuu itself has very optimized stats so it does it all. It's a good install choice and it's a great youkai to summon, especially if using with shared pain. Even if you were trying to make use of the Shapeshifter shenanigans where you install Youkai with other Youkai, Seiryuu would be the best choice to install things with.
I think this is actually less of an issue with Seiryuu itself and more of an issue with the other youkai. Don't get me wrong, Seiryuu could probably stand to have lower stats across the board, but I think the answer is making the other Youkai's stats more optimized. I mean, Seiryuu has the complete package. It has high cel, high strength, high defense, high vitality, and respectable res. Seiryuu has a decent chance of even proccing evasion on top of its good defenses making it almost player tier when ascended. It can get 30% increased damage against enemies just for attacking them and it gets +3 to all stats except vit if you have Daisangen.
Why is it that none of the other youkai have similarly optimized spreads? The only other ascended Youkai for example, Byakko, is a glass cannon that can't even evade properly. It has very low defense and res, high luck, but it also has low cel. If anything, it should have high Cel so it can focus more on evasion and evading to Seiryuu's general bulk, especially as an ascended Youkai.
When you look at the other Youkai it's even worse. Stat gains are seemingly random on them, with them neither being bulky or being evasive, leading to them being paper thin and only good as glorified turrets that act as annoyances for extra chip damage until they inevitably die to some kind of AoE. Currently a sizable portion of the server from what I've seen is playing a summoner class, and each and every one of them is rocking a Seiryuu to my knowledge unless going out of their way to not use it due to its oversaturation.
As a summoner player, it feels bad seeing the class become so homogenized. It would be preferable to have a youkai roster that has some semblance of being unique, but Seiryuu is so much better than other Youkai that you're literally gimping yourself if you don't take it.
But again, I don't think the answer is hitting Seiryuu with a giant nerfbat. Seiryuu honestly makes summoner feel complete. You have a reliable summon that isn't just fodder for getting chip damage out, and that's a good thing. People will complain that it feels oppressive to 1v1 a summoner that uses Seiryuu, but summoners are going to be oppressive in 1v1s no matter what just by the nature of what they are. The same applies to engineers. If you have more units with their own action economy then you have a massive advantage. In team fights, Seiryuu users are not nearly as oppressive. For this reason I think it's time to have a patch dedicated to redoing the stat gains of the Youkai so they can also be competitive. Even base Seiryuu is a lot better than other Youkai, so if other Youkai can come closer to its power level it creates an environment where we can see more summon diversity.
If Seiryuu is nerfed and nothing else, I honestly would expect it to still be the best youkai and nothing would change other than summoner's overall power level lowering, but the lack of diversity would still be there, and existing youkai would still be underwhelming.
The thing is, dragons still have the best stat spread and not only that, but Seiryuu itself has very optimized stats so it does it all. It's a good install choice and it's a great youkai to summon, especially if using with shared pain. Even if you were trying to make use of the Shapeshifter shenanigans where you install Youkai with other Youkai, Seiryuu would be the best choice to install things with.
I think this is actually less of an issue with Seiryuu itself and more of an issue with the other youkai. Don't get me wrong, Seiryuu could probably stand to have lower stats across the board, but I think the answer is making the other Youkai's stats more optimized. I mean, Seiryuu has the complete package. It has high cel, high strength, high defense, high vitality, and respectable res. Seiryuu has a decent chance of even proccing evasion on top of its good defenses making it almost player tier when ascended. It can get 30% increased damage against enemies just for attacking them and it gets +3 to all stats except vit if you have Daisangen.
Why is it that none of the other youkai have similarly optimized spreads? The only other ascended Youkai for example, Byakko, is a glass cannon that can't even evade properly. It has very low defense and res, high luck, but it also has low cel. If anything, it should have high Cel so it can focus more on evasion and evading to Seiryuu's general bulk, especially as an ascended Youkai.
When you look at the other Youkai it's even worse. Stat gains are seemingly random on them, with them neither being bulky or being evasive, leading to them being paper thin and only good as glorified turrets that act as annoyances for extra chip damage until they inevitably die to some kind of AoE. Currently a sizable portion of the server from what I've seen is playing a summoner class, and each and every one of them is rocking a Seiryuu to my knowledge unless going out of their way to not use it due to its oversaturation.
As a summoner player, it feels bad seeing the class become so homogenized. It would be preferable to have a youkai roster that has some semblance of being unique, but Seiryuu is so much better than other Youkai that you're literally gimping yourself if you don't take it.
But again, I don't think the answer is hitting Seiryuu with a giant nerfbat. Seiryuu honestly makes summoner feel complete. You have a reliable summon that isn't just fodder for getting chip damage out, and that's a good thing. People will complain that it feels oppressive to 1v1 a summoner that uses Seiryuu, but summoners are going to be oppressive in 1v1s no matter what just by the nature of what they are. The same applies to engineers. If you have more units with their own action economy then you have a massive advantage. In team fights, Seiryuu users are not nearly as oppressive. For this reason I think it's time to have a patch dedicated to redoing the stat gains of the Youkai so they can also be competitive. Even base Seiryuu is a lot better than other Youkai, so if other Youkai can come closer to its power level it creates an environment where we can see more summon diversity.
If Seiryuu is nerfed and nothing else, I honestly would expect it to still be the best youkai and nothing would change other than summoner's overall power level lowering, but the lack of diversity would still be there, and existing youkai would still be underwhelming.