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Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear
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I think 3 momentum is fair. You're seeing it solely in a 1v1 pvp situation against a melee, but really, it's still a very powerful ability, it's essentially like moving closer without putting yourself in danger so why not 3m? It would not just be a straight up range booster but a tactical positioning tool. Forcing movement from the enemy and keeping you safe in group fights, both PvP and PvE. Compare it not to its current iteration but what would be actually balanced in SL2, especially considering their base stats.

That being said, a mix of both with 2m and 3 range would be fine imo.

I think putting a cooldown on it would not fix the issue, only making it somewhat more awkward.

(03-23-2022, 07:50 AM)HaTeD Wrote: Might I add there are other classes with 1 momentum cost gap closers.
True, but there are no 1m range increases. A range increase is better than a gap closer because it keeps you safe. And although an agile mech might be able to pay 1m to make up for the talis' advantage, that doesn't take away from how powerful the ability is because again, this comparison only somewhat functions in the vaccum of 1v1 pvp, not to mention high mobility countering high range is a given, yet in this case it's not a hard counter, merely a 1 for 1 trade that is usually at the disadvantage of the gap closer. Even in 1v1 pvp, gap closing is worse than range, since it means you're exposing yourself to a wider variety of attacks from the talis user, like deathtouch, and it's made worse if the talis user has allies such as players or youkai, and you're jumping in their arms, while they have the leisure of taking a long-range fight. The opportunity cost of 1m move vs talis is simply higher (I.E. you went agile mech just to get that 1m move, while the talis user's requirement is simply to equip the best staff in the game). Finally, 1m movement is very strong, but their existence does not make talis any less overpowered, even if we look at it as a simple 1 for 1 trade, because hard counters don't make something ok. If 25% of people have a hard counter, and 75% of matchups get royally screwed, it's a problem. Not to mention all 1m movement options have a limitation, be it cd, self-damage, etc, while talis is just 5fp.

Edit: I realise I focused too much on one aspect of your response

As for spending 3m to make distance again, that's a given. The boon of range is lost when you're engaged in melee. But that's a given for all characters and doesn't devalue the benefits of having range. Besides, even if gap closing occured, it's possible to kite again with the right tools.

As for guns and bows, yeah it's a given, but let's be honest, a bow is never going to compete with spells in damage, and guns have 9-10 range at the very most, but that comes at a cost. These weapons are balanced around having high range, spells are not.
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Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-23-2022, 12:47 AM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by sadbot - 03-23-2022, 07:24 AM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by HaTeD - 03-23-2022, 07:50 AM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-23-2022, 05:23 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by WaifuApple - 03-23-2022, 07:28 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-23-2022, 08:02 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Autumn - 03-23-2022, 08:37 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-23-2022, 09:24 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by WaifuApple - 03-23-2022, 10:16 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-23-2022, 10:36 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by HaTeD - 03-24-2022, 12:12 AM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Snake - 03-25-2022, 02:51 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by sadbot - 03-26-2022, 01:44 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Autumn - 03-26-2022, 05:35 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-29-2022, 06:41 AM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by HaTeD - 03-29-2022, 07:48 AM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Poruku - 03-29-2022, 02:20 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Snake - 03-29-2022, 02:54 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by HaTeD - 03-29-2022, 03:24 PM
RE: Deploy Talis and Frozen Fear - by Snake - 03-29-2022, 09:45 PM

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