09-07-2022, 10:03 PM
(09-07-2022, 09:48 PM)Shujin Wrote: Oh boy. Well here we go!Thank you again for discussing matters in DMs with me when we did. It was genuinely frightening to me, realizing how much misinfo had gotten about as a whole. At the end of the day, whatever will happen, well, will happen. However, I think we can all use this as a learning point in the future. History is bound to repeat unless we understand what happened in some sense. It made me feel ill to learn about how much was actively being stated about my character that was drastically untrue, and I can only imagine what it'd be like to be Dev or Anhita, who've no doubt felt the backlash themselves. Or even to you, Shujin. It still irritates me about what you said, about how Natasha was being used as a scape goat when it blatantly was false. It's sure as heck not fair to you to have to hear that and act icly based upon that.
First and foremost, I want to thank Blade for asking me directly about these things, so I could quickly clear out any doubts with simple and quick context. People do love to post stuff out of context in this community and weave a story around it that couldn't be further from the truth. So no surprises on my side, but its always nice to have someone actually ask. It is much appreciated. In the end we are here to have fun together afterall.
Obviously I have no intentions to get Blade banned, quite the opposite, I was rather seeing him as one of the main victims who gets all these Misinformations carried to. I do not want to trade with him to have to listen to so many sources, while having a busy schedule, to work through all of it.
While of course I agree with most what Blade said above I want to clarify:
This is not about misinformations that have spread ICly, within the game. Those are good and a key part of intrigue and I super enjoy these kinds of things and working through them to find out the truth! It has been something I did for years, and something that I enjoy much more than simple PVP-mechanical resolution.
Some of my best and most memorable events happend around effective plotting and Information management ICly. this is FINE.
What the issue here is not the misinformations being handled ICly, but that they are spread OOC, in all the discords between the friends groups, partly with Characters that had no way to even know about it in the first place suddenly others that had even less way of knowing it know it, or entirely fabricated things that never happend in any capacity in anyway and most certainly not in a way someone should have even know.
These both things happen at the same time. The IC and the OOC and then they begin to mix and blurr to the point that no one knows whats going on anymore. That?`Takes away ALL the fun of IC plotting. Cause now it feels unfair OOCly, we need to work through stuff and see what actually makes sense. It doesn't feel good on either side, and it just makes me not take part in the conflict anymore, because there are no facts anymore that you can carefully lay out, without someone OOCly faking and lying evidence and sliding it into someones DMs, to help their on IC narrative or steer the ship into the direction they want.
So what are we supposed to do? Take all infos at facevalue even though some make absolutely no sense and RP as if?
->Then we spit on all the efforts people like Blade had made to prevent such. As it isn't possible anymore to see which information a skilled manipulator actively used ICly to cause all of this...Or which is just OOC propaganda and everyone taken it from their DMs into the game, and even share it between all their alts as common Knowledge. This isn't just Metagaming anymore, this is a whole new level. I feel OOCly uncomfortable to go against someone who was OOCly Shoehorned into a position he had no intention of being. Neither ICly nor OOCly.
Shall we just dial back and pretent that all of it didn`t happen?
->Also not possible as this well is already poisoned way past recovery, and someone will either not get the Memo or start it all over again. and it also ruins all the narrative we have already build in response to that. Which is actually pretty cool stuff, thats happening in between. And there are very likely a few people that have actually ICly on purpose manipulated some info in such a way. Which would have been a wonderful plot, but I can mot with good conscience act on such anymore as I feel most of the stuff has been made OOCly. Some made up entirely, other things gotten via Metagaming and again other things just never went through the trouble to let it ICly play out so there was never a risk for the char who spread any misinformation as that info existed in a limbo.
Option A?
I think it has way progressed past a point of return, with way to many people already "In the know", and that would only cause massive confusion. And I too would be booing. Rectons are always iffy and hard to pull off too in this large scale.
Option B?
My idea, originally, was just to play it out and bite the bullet. However, having open communications with the involved parties more or less serve it internally between them.
Obviously, that has the issue that many that would have in normal circumstances been involved to no longer do such and that is unfortunate. The upside is however that it would remain fair and Misinformation would poison that well if only the handful of people involved discuss it fairly between them. The misinformation could be debunked quickly.
Option C?
I do believe at this point what needs to happen is that the leader people should all sit down in a Discord and work through that mess. So Intentions and things can be clarified.
Overall I am just sorry that something that could have been a very fun plot, is getting ruined my OOC misformation spreading. Its ruining everyones fun, and I highly recommend for people who do that (usually no one has bad intentions doing such) such to talk as little about IC in OOC channels as possible, far less in open channels as someone will misread it and then the chain of misinformation starts. I know, no one gonna do this. But I wish people would start to seperate IC from OOC a little more. Communicate more when you plan something or ask for clarification.
To me this plot is sadly ruined. I decided to be 100% honest with my intentions in the DMs regarding what my actual plans were with Henrik when he asks, just so that there is fairness. This took away all surprises and plottwists. But atleast? Its fairer now. Still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Espically knowing that people do start their little witchhunts again, trying to demonize me again for trying to get someone banned. Just get off my back already.
This all just to clarify, I do not really care how this matter is handled in the end.
I want to make a small addition to the issue. Since my initial post, another thought has come to me, and that's how we can keep it as ic as possible in the future. Obviously, policing on the game isn't gonna do anything but cause potential hostilities, and the matter of how much ooc involvement is necessary to keep the game free of ooc drama and lies brought ic is another bucket of worms I personally don't want to consider fishing with yet, given how messy that could ultimately be.
Nonetheless, thank you again for speaking with me in DMs and assisting in bringing this problem to light. Without you speaking to me on it, I don't think we'd even be properly aware.