[iDarkCara]

Spite

In regards to spirit pain's interaction with pulling shot exclusively
I would argue that if you end up attacking yourself, the pulling shot should not go through as it does now. I understand some on hits are coding issues, such as guns applying despite being reflected by spirit mirror, etc.

However, adding in a part to this interaction alone should make it a bit more logical.

[Autumn]

How about nerfing spirit pain before buffing it? Spirit pain is grossly overpowered vs anyone in a 1v1 scenario, creating a huge power gap.

[Trexmaster]

This is actually because Pulling Shot will proc its pull and knockdown on the original target regardless of anything that changes that after being declared.

This -also- goes for other skills, like Cutthroat.

So, I think skills such as those should apply its affects to the target it actually hits, not the one selected.

[Ranylyn]

Spoops » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:14 pm[/url]"]How about nerfing spirit pain before buffing it? Spirit pain is grossly overpowered vs anyone in a 1v1 scenario, creating a huge power gap.

Do many people really fail to both break the invocation AND not have attacks that don't perform basic attacks? I've actually never had a 1v1 PVP where it did anything at all.

[Rendar]

That's because you just suck at PVP Ranlyn.

It completely fucks over archers who don't #DeleteMan.

Also single shot gunners...

And a good deal of stabby VA's who will, inherently, nearly kill themself basic attacking.

Basically everyone that performs basic attacks that are high damage literally kill themself on it in 1v1

[Ranylyn]

I'd argue I'm not the one that sucks if I've never been dicked over by spirit pain. Just saying. You get two classes for a reason. You can cover your weaknesses. Due to Celerity as a stat, no one should rely 100% on normals anyways. Sure, it really hinders your available options, but Spirit Pain is literally useless against someone who's prepared for it.

[iDarkCara]

I believe there are quite a few different interactions that would have to be observed, but this instance is one I feel should warrant a specific fix. Other interactions such as cutthroat and bullets being reflected should be changed too, but that gets back to the coding issue.

[Neus]

Spirit Pain triggering will just treat the attack as if it missed (although you will still attack yourself/etc).

[Rendar]

So now Spirit Pain got a bigger buff.

Joy, not like it already didn't change fights.

[Autumn]

Please look over Spirit Pain in the future, the skill is extremely destructive and will win you any match you slap it in if your target is anything that isn't a mage, curate.

Even the abundance of auto-hits does not even JUSTIFY Spirit pain, when Silent Spirit is taken into question.
But that is for another thread.