[Ryu-Kazuki]

Soapy » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:36 pm[/url]"]1. You can't spam Knockdown. Period. It's literally impossible because of On Guard. If you don't have it, that's your problem.
2. They give up an item and skill slot along with 3M to close the gap and inflict ~30 or so damage while costing you 3M. Unless you have MA.
3. Even without On Guard, it only happens once per battle, since knockdown only works if you run away. Have you tried not running away?

Ranylyn:
1. Evoker mains are the main ones arguing against changing it. Get that magic stick out of your ass, thanks.

Ryu:
1. Heaven Kick isn't even a Monk skill so I don't even know why you're bitching about Body of Isesip, which is also fine.
2. You literally said you never play it or play against it, so your opinion on the matter is completely invalid.

1: I was never complaining about BoI, I was saying how it can exacerbate the situation at hand. Please don't twist my words.
2: My opinion is valid based on the fact it's still a factual combination and tactic in battle. I don't have to play it to read the wiki and know how it works or how I can use it in battle. It's not that hard to plan things out.
3: Any idiot who reads the wiki or looks at the class board knows it's not a Monk skill, I was providing an example which you obviously didn't get.
4: You can sit in place in melee range and still get fucked over, or they can run away from you and QHK all over again. So standing still doesn't make much of a difference either.
5: Spiked Treads give people an immunity to knockback and seemingly knockdown (that may be incorrect on the last part), meaning Lazarus Wind is useless against anyone who wears them.
6: Arguing that giving up an item and skill slot is barely anything with the number of skill slots people get these days, that's like arguing that the Evoker has to use up a trait slot to use On Guard. As for an item slot, it's an item that has very little to no drawbacks due to Sderg showing the lack of Water based skills in game that already do poor damage and you get a free stamp for. Or we can argue also how the stamp takes up a stamp slot.