[MothEnthusiast]

You yourself said they didn't work off eachother, it doesn't matter which works off which. Either way, it's getting heavily off topic. GG and Endurance DO work together, as was my original point. As for saying 'it's not a buff', I was talking exclusively in the context of the original post, IE Sweet Leaf. The whips not lowering charm is all well and good on lovely face and other sources of charm, but using Sweet Leaf really just isn't good even in that context. You're 100000% better off using any of the other sources of charm. They're not particularly rare unless you're a non-papilion corrupted, and even then you can get something from your class.