According to what I've seen from damage calculations guile seems to calculate after armor rather than before. This was after extensive testing with friends. With the nerf to volcanic incoming and vorpal having fallen out of favor due to how unreliable it is. The obvious flex people want would be global fleur, which I have been fervently against. Some classes deserve a fleur equivalent, but not all classes do.
Rather the damage equation should change from.
Swa > Phys DR> Elemental/slash+pierce Res>Armor>Guile+Crit Mod> Evasion + Global/ BonusDR
Which would mean 100 swa with a critical modifer of 150 from weapon and guile vs 50 phys DR and 20 armor which are not difficult numbers for a tank to reach would equate to about:
100 - 50% = 50 - 20 = 30 + 150 critical modifer = 45 damage. That's not taking into account other forms of DR like shields, BK passives, etc. Which take place AFTER the base Phys Res% and Armor are calculated.
Post change the equation would be thus.
Swa >Guile+Crit Mod> Phys DR> Elemental/slash+pierce Res>Armor> Evasion+ Bonus/Global DR
100 + 150 critical modifer = 150 - 50% = 75 - 20 = 55 damage.
The initial damage would be 150 cut down to 75. Then reduced by armor down to 55. Now this is a minor buff for critical hits and basic attackers, but this isn't taking into account higher swa levels, guile gouges, etc. It also wouldn't make cel based builds oppressed by the damage buffs as they tend NOT to build armor so the losses in durability would be minor. But it would lead to healthier tiers of damage vs tankier targets that gouged high armor and physical res.
Also for a more brutal example which is a possible marker to reach with the current equation:
100 - 60% = 40 - 30 = 10 + 150 critical modifer = 15 damage.
With my suggested equation:
100+ 150 critical modifer = 150 - 60% = 60 - 30 = 30 damage.
It wouldn't be a huge buff to damage but it would be a nice one that would give back some damage for the stat investment we make in crit and worst of all guile.
TLDR: It seems guile is calculated after armor and phys res%. Change it so it comes prior not before.
STLDR: Guile<armor +phys res = bad. Guile>armor +phys res% = good.
Rather the damage equation should change from.
Swa > Phys DR> Elemental/slash+pierce Res>Armor>Guile+Crit Mod> Evasion + Global/ BonusDR
Which would mean 100 swa with a critical modifer of 150 from weapon and guile vs 50 phys DR and 20 armor which are not difficult numbers for a tank to reach would equate to about:
100 - 50% = 50 - 20 = 30 + 150 critical modifer = 45 damage. That's not taking into account other forms of DR like shields, BK passives, etc. Which take place AFTER the base Phys Res% and Armor are calculated.
Post change the equation would be thus.
Swa >Guile+Crit Mod> Phys DR> Elemental/slash+pierce Res>Armor> Evasion+ Bonus/Global DR
100 + 150 critical modifer = 150 - 50% = 75 - 20 = 55 damage.
The initial damage would be 150 cut down to 75. Then reduced by armor down to 55. Now this is a minor buff for critical hits and basic attackers, but this isn't taking into account higher swa levels, guile gouges, etc. It also wouldn't make cel based builds oppressed by the damage buffs as they tend NOT to build armor so the losses in durability would be minor. But it would lead to healthier tiers of damage vs tankier targets that gouged high armor and physical res.
Also for a more brutal example which is a possible marker to reach with the current equation:
100 - 60% = 40 - 30 = 10 + 150 critical modifer = 15 damage.
With my suggested equation:
100+ 150 critical modifer = 150 - 60% = 60 - 30 = 30 damage.
It wouldn't be a huge buff to damage but it would be a nice one that would give back some damage for the stat investment we make in crit and worst of all guile.
TLDR: It seems guile is calculated after armor and phys res%. Change it so it comes prior not before.
STLDR: Guile<armor +phys res = bad. Guile>armor +phys res% = good.
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