(06-26-2020, 05:08 PM)Snake Wrote: Well.
I don't like how Turrets do such a little number on basic hit damage and have such a pathetic accuracy despite having the role of 'stable damage over time' unlike Railgan's big burst, and I don't like how Medicopter tends to be useless the moment they run out of potions. Both also have a terrible Move and can be kited.
Can't you all ever notice this when you're in PvE? These two in particular are just so god-awful boring to use.
That definitely cuts from their use, unlike let's say, Youkai, who are much more reliable with chunky autohits or Monster gimmicks. Railgan and Metalaegis were suggestions given for the sake of having all bots with something to do.
Turrets do fine enough damage and have two skills to add onto it. Calibrate helps with accuracy and also prevents those with no hit rate themselves from making full use of it. But in general, the fact you can upgrade them and what have you. Y'know, like half your kit revolves around, is already a blessing in of itself. Attaching a grenade launcher or overclocking it as a meme or even just putting a simple jetpack already adds more than enough oppression in both PvE and PvP from my experiences. It even functions fine as bait and Turn Order Manipulation fodder. So can't personally say I have much of an issue with turrets and their damage is mostly fine for what it is. Usually better on Destiny Engineer though. Especially since bullets ignore armor and they have flat scaling stats. But I can get a metric ton of value out of it just fine. Even with the timer changes to Grenade Launcher respectively.
Medicopters use their loads and then get salvaged or scrapped to give you FP back. That makes perfect sense. If you really want it to be worth more than that, your only option is admittedly shoving a grenade launcher on it. Overclocking it and making it an explosive bomb is an option I guess but that's usually liable to just get your opponent free claret or fleur or whatever "i get bonus for hitting this thing" the enemy has to gain. But Medicopters serve their purpose that they're intended for just fine. "Ah, yes. I wish to be healed by this machine i'm placing down. I wish it could do something other than what it reads it should be doing. I have healed with it and now it's useless. Yikes."
That doesn't sound all that reasonable or logical. As for the kiting aspect, that's mere Zone of Control effect being beneficial as I aforementioned. If they even
try and kite it? That's already making their movements more predictable or inconveniencing them. That's a huge gain in some scenarios. Most, really. If they don't, I get more time to do shenanigans usually. It's the same with summoner and their youkai. Merely by them being present are they potentially an oppressive force or an action economy manipulator. Likewise, the MAP and Jetpack Upgrades serve as your main ways to alleviate the mobility issues. Both with their pros and cons, naturally.
Youkai gimmicks are naturally better since they're Youkai. Engineer is just a lesser, different take on Summoner overall. Yet barring damage, you can still get similar enough value from field presence. Sure can't get the install bonuses or the "me have 12 actives/passives" from it though. Turret just exists to be damage on the side, which at the base it does just fine. Especially in PvE, rather than PvP where most everything is a tanky wall capable of mitigating or lowering the damage. But having a triple shooting armor-ignoring gun or a knockback from Bullet Shred on your side can still be game changing. (Don't forget Grenade Launcher still.)
Railgan is just burst damage with a fixed damage amount that can get mitigated in a few ways. It is the literal breathing definition of how meaningful the action economy manipulation or zone of control aspect of things is. Since any action taken to avoid or go around the Railgan is also mostly applicable to the Medibot or Turret. In that one either wastes their time going for it which is an advantage in your favor 90% of the time. Even if you can just say "so I wasted 50 FP and it got borderline instant destroyed, how the FUCK is that helpful?" to which i'd just respond with "anytime you have to go out of your way to yeet a youkai or engineer bot or actively avoid them, tell me how easier your life would be if you just didn't."
Medicopter is literally 50 FP for free items and healing. It is a literal deployable healer of the item variety. Not made for damage. Made for simply shoving items down your throat and not being out on the field otherwise. I literally do not understand the complaint here, personally.
MAP is literally just to move you around with your bots. If anything, this is typically the most dangerous/worthless investment of 50 FP.
Metalaegis is literally a defensive bot and has a projectile reflector to save you from fixed projectiles that aren't a massive AoE and a literal god shield to protect you from just about everything. It's fine.
Add atop the ability to combine this with other classes while not constantly burning your FP as a Summoner, having access to most things at the Base Rogue Level (even if questionable barring traps and some winds) to make these already aforementioned things better and play to their sheer existing strengths. I just don't think we really need much of that stuff right now.
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