Hello friends, let's cut to the chase

I made this template for ordering the power level of SL2 races overall.

Here's my tier list


And here's the template: https://tiermaker.com/create/sl2-races-p...el-1302981

Tell me what you think, and why I'm wrong. By the way you can use something like Gyazo to share the image here
Upon re-looking at this I am considering dropping glykin to A, but I guess their strength is only needing exactly 18 SAN to get large benefits. Low investment high reward type of stronk, kind of like shaitan

This has been in the game for a while and I'm unsure if it's intend or not. Spirit Jar spirits dismiss themselves upon losing/KO in a spar.

Instead of shitposting and moving posts of actual value down to the second page, I'll condense all my 59-out-of-60-seconds thoughts here.

So, this is more a suggestion on classes that are suffering when it comes to Hit and evade. At the moment, the game has devolved into using around 6 and 7 classes. Why? Because those are the classes that offer enough hit and evade buff to make a difference. So, I thought, why not make a suggestion about stuff that could provide a hit and evade bonus for each class that lacks them?

Why? So the game can regain some diversity between the classes. These are all bonus effects on skills, added to provide other classes SOME hit and evade options. There is a cap for both so it wouldn't get out of hand like prior.

• Brine Blade - While enchanting their weapon, it can increase hit by 1+3 hit per rank.
  
• Eternal Flame: The closer they are to the targets(s), the more hit chance the lantern spells gain in return based on rank. Max at 20.
  
• Dark Imbue - Open to Swords and polearms as well.
  
• Relent Gale - Bonus effect - +2 Evade per rank.
  
• Ice Fairy - Bonus effect - +2 Hit per rank.
  
• Charge Mind - While active, provides +15 hit on the spells next Evoker spell.
  
• Imagin's Despair - Negates Bravery talent.
  
• Charge - If they run away from the enemy using charge (It goes on CD), a status call Retreating appears which provides them +1 + (3 evade per rank) for two rounds. This effect can also be used if Retreating Swipe was used with Charging Strike.
  
• Charging Strike - The next Soldier skill (Including promotion) or basic attack used gains +2 per rank hit bonus.
  
• Watchful Eyes - As long as they are facing the target, they gain +10 Hit and +10 Evade.
  
• Snake Dancer - Whenever the user evades an attack, they gain a status call Snake dancing. It increases their Evade by 10 until their next damage instance.
  
• Misty Dimension - Also provides the user +10 Evade while Sneaking.
  
• Encourage - While pumping the youkai up, you also encourage yourself. Provides 2+rank * 2 in bonus Hit for the player and youkai that last for three rounds.
  
• Evoker Mastery - Increase Hit for Evoker spells by 5 per rank.
  

Just a quick thread on ideas for what could be changed for certain special attacks that are pretty bland and 'too' situational.

Quote:Cross Slash (Sword) - Attacks an enemy twice in a row, using the new 'rounds' system. This has a bonus to Hit and Damage equal to (Character Level/2).

2 round cooldown.

Quote:Flank Attack (Dagger) - Attacks an enemy with your dagger, and depending on the direction it has different effects. This will not trigger Twin Dance.
- Front and Sides: The attack's damage is reduced by 90% (45% if sides), but you gain 2M per ally flanking the target.
- Back: If the attack is a critical hit, deals bonus damage equal to the target's missing HP, based on their armor type. (Heavy = 0%, Light = 10%, Unarmored = 20%)

3 round cooldown.

Quote:Spray and Pray (Handgun-type) - Target an enemy in the range of your gun. The gun's rounds will be doubled, while ignoring Armor and Glancing Blows.

3 round cooldown

Quote:Buckshot (Shotgun-type) - Targets a 3-range crescent cone (similar to Hyattr) and attacks with a penalty to critical (-10% beyond the tile directly in front of you).

If the attack is a critical hit, they're inflicted with Wear Out LV30 until your next round, and knocked back for 2 tiles. If they are wearing Heavy Armor, they are also knocked down.

3 round cooldown.

Quote:Headshot (Rifle-type) - No changes. Just here to say that's where the actual Headshot would stay at.

Quote:Reckless Jump (Launcher-type) - Costs 1M. Similar to Rabbit Leap, with a maximum range of 10. You can target a tile or an enemy to 'jump' towards it.
- On use, you deal (Character Level*2) mixed damage (Blunt/Fire) in 3 range around you to enemies, and (15% max HP) mixed damage (Blunt/Fire) to yourself.
- If you land on an enemy, both you and the enemy are knocked down and take (Battle Weight * 3) blunt damage. (Similar to Body Fling)
- The damage done by the explosion cannot be evaded or absorbed.

2 round cooldown

Quote:Windhawk Snipe (Bow) - Costs 6M, has 20 range. Upon selecting a target, consumes all your Evade buffs. For each buff it increases the damage by 20%. It also deals an additional 10% damage to Flying enemies.

If 2+ buffs have been consumed, the attack gains +10 Power/Hit/Critical (per buff) and ignores protection.

5 round cooldown.

Quote:Turnabout (Polearm) - Targets an enemy infront of you (and the enemy behind you too, if applicable). On use, you stab them and spin around, damaging enemies around you for half the original damage, and knocking them back by 1 tile.

On the end of the spin, your original target(s) are knocked back for 3 tiles and inflicted with Flatfoot for 2 rounds.

5 round cooldown.

Quote:Blitz (Fist) - Targets a 3 range line and dashes along. Upon meeting the first enemy, perform a basic attack with a +4 bonus to its 'strikes' (total of 6), that ignores on-hit retaliation effects, Armor and Glancing Blows.

If all attacks are Critical Hits, the enemy may be inflicted with Clumsy and Spelldaze for 2 rounds. (Each with different infliction checks)

3 round cooldown

Wyverntouched's poison bite racial skill still does it's old hit check, followed by a gr2 glancing blow/evasion check. Meaning it checks for hit three times.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Use Poison Bite on a dodge character.
2. Cry.

So, how about a skill for rune mage that lets us collect a rune on field and either gives fp back or it explodes, one of the other. For the sake of not having dead runes spammed all over the field you may not be using, just to set the field the way you want it to be. preferably something 2 momentum, but 3 could be fine too.

Alright, I've been labbing and running a bunch of lightning focused builds in the past few weeks, and I'll have to say lightning is feeling like the weakest of common magic elements you can build right now outside things like elemental augment tessen setups. The reason for this can be attributed to the nerfs Luck as a stat it suffered with the loss of hit/eva. While said nerf was necessary for GR2 balance, it has made luck one of the least desirable stats to build, even on basic attackers. To explain, let me list out a quick list/comparison to stats in a typical build real quick:


Weapon Scaling Stats: STR=WILL=GUI - Each also comes with a benefit of building other things as well such as HP, FP, or crit damage. Mandatory based on weapon.

Defensive: VIT>CEL=DEF/RES - Keeps you alive (hopefully). Most builds either lean into evade or tank stats, meaning these stats get invested in near universally.

FP Stat: WILL=FAI=SAN - Most non-basic builds fit in one or more of these stats. Will provides the most per point and gives ele atk, Faith provides blessed hit and crit eva, Sanctity gives the least amount per point, but also gives hp, status res, ele res, and fuels many racial effects. 

Hit: SKI>FAI - SKI is the only dedicated hit stat, mandatory on every build pretty much. FAI also fits in here as it provides considerable hit with blessed enchant. GUI could also technically fit in here alongside FAI for the purposes of flank.

Crit: SKI>=LUC - Skill provides 2 hit/.5 crit per scaled point, while Luck provides 1 crit/1 crit eva per point. Even though skill only provides half as much luck, it is also a lot more valuable in the hit increase it provides whereas luck's other effect only provides a boon against other basic attackers. (Yes, luck does buff drop rates marginally, but that part is a non-factor in pvp/event pve).


Crit Eva: FAI > LUC - Faith provides crit eva at 1 per scaled point, just like luck. FAI absolutely wins out as a stat here though (unless you need the crit), since it can function as a supplementary or even main fp stat while also giving more blessed hit rate. 

With that listed out, it's not hard to see why Luck is in a bad spot currently, since it loses out to FAI in crit eva value for being less useful, and is only built on basic attackers/lightning evokers since it's still a good chunk of crit. The thing is though, with luck being so undesirable, most of the successful meta crit builds don't even build all that much luck, only around softcap at most. That's because it's more effective to put the points in other non-luck stats, and just make up the crit with massive crit buffs like Northern Wind, Veil Off, Bloody Karma, Fight as One, etc. 

How does this effect lightning mages you may ask, considering luminary element exists-  and well, it doesn't really work in the context of how lightning works most of the time due to lightning criticals requiring a crit check. Since weapon crit isn't applied to lightning crit chance, you really need to stack as much crit as you can to make the most of it...  which makes skipping luck pointless for evokers and lightning impacts.

As for using luminary for non-crit lightning, you don't have much choice in spells. The only lightning spells which don't rely on lightning crits are: Rectifier, Black Static, Quetal, Elemental Rune, Thunder Bolt, Holy Spark, and Pinpoint Electro. Not really a whole lot of options, and they are often inferior to their lightning crit alternatives for damage. To add insult to injury, even if you go and build crit to use lightning crits, you end up with a -25% fire weakness, a death sentence with all the Explosion and Falcon Strike spam around currently (Which forces lighting users to run an even more limited selection of gear to offset that weakness). 

With all these issues lightning faces, it has to be good in its identity as utility via "huge damage potential", right? Not really in GR2, since ice is by far the highest damage element due to how absurdly high people stack skill, combined with things like Fox Stance Verglas damage completely overshadowing any lightning build in damage with less setup and fewer weaknesses. A thread was made a few week backs about how luck needed love after getting hit/eva removed, and the symptoms show as I've pointed out above. Adding more crit/crit eva to luck probably isn't the solution here, as lightning would still suffer the same symptoms outlined. Open to ideas and discussions on what Luck could do to make it less painful to build (preferably something pvp applicable).

So uh, dunno if others have this, if its my computer, byond, internet or sigrogana issue but if I am online when reboot happens, the next log-in usually ends up with overworld sprites being only their floating hair.

Can't confirm what is the cause but just wanted to give heads up in the case it turns out to happen to others too.