Some of these involve reworking current skills or adding entirely new ones. These suggestions are meant to inspire some ideas and consideration. I'm not expecting Dev to suddenly squish everything into wherever (and don't want that). The Soldier class is lackluster and it deserves some more love (and balance). If you like any of these or don't, clearly explain why, but other skill ideas would be appreciated. Keep it relative to Soldiers and Black Knights.

[Soldier]

[Charge]: Gather your energy in a charge, which boosts your move based on rank for 1 turn. If you Bash an enemy while under the effect of Charge, you will move along with that enemy in a line, pushing them away and pinning yourself against them in the same motion,inflicting blunt damage based on rank. If you bash an ally while under the effect of charge, they will move along in a line as well.
--> Rank 1: Learn skill, 4 FP, Bash Charge Distance: 3, Base Charge Damage: 25% STR + 25% DEF
--> Rank 2: 8 FP, Bash Charge Distance: 4, Base Charge Damage: 50% STR + 25% DEF
--> Rank 3: 12 FP, Base Charge Distance: 5, Base Charge Damage: 50% STR + 50% DEF

[Thousand Stab]: Spear Skill. Pierce an enemy within 2 range with a flurry of stabs, dealing Pierce physical damage equal to percentage of your STR + SKI based on Rank, total. (Reduction from defense only applies to the total damage done.)
--> Rank 1: 10 FP, WPN Power + 15% STR + 15% SKI
--> Rank 2: 12 FP, WPN Power + 30% STR + 30% SKI
--> Rank 3: 14 FP, WPN Power + 45% STR + 45% SKI
--> Rank 4: 16 FP, WPN Power + 60% STR + 60% SKI
--> Rank 5: 20 FP, WPN Power + 75% STR + 75% SKI

[Roundtrip]: Axe skill. Line (5). Throw your weapon in a line, dealing slash physical damage to all affected. Then, the axe will return to you, dealing Slash physical damage again. (Damage reduction is applied to the totam amount rather than each hit.)
--> Rank 1: Learn skill, 7 FP, Damage Per Hit: WPN Power + 1/4 STR + WPN Weight/6
--> Rank 2: Learn skill, 9 FP, Damage Per Hit: WPN Power + 1/4 STR + WPN Weight/4
--> Rank 3: Learn skill, 11 FP, Damage Per Hit: WPN Power + 1/4 STR + WPN Weight/2, Enemies will be pulled one tile towards you on the second hit.
--> Rank 4: Learn skill, 13 FP, Damage Per Hit: WPN Power + 1/2 STR + WPN Weight/2
--> Rank 5: Learn skill, 15 FP, Damage Per Hit: WPN Power + 1/2 STR + WPN Weight

[Skill]: Spear Skill. Line (1-2) The user lunges toward the enemy, aiming for chinks in armor or to create them, and jabs the target with the spear point, dealing bonus damage, with a chance to bypass defense (based on rank). If you are under the effect of charge, the lunge distance increases by its rank.
--> Rank 1: 8 FP, Bonus Damage: +3, 3% Chance
--> Rank 2: 11 FP, Bonus Damage: +6, 6% Chance
--> Rank 3: 14 FP, Bonus Damage: +9, 9% Chance
--> Rank 4: 17 FP, Bonus Damage: +12, 12% Chance
--> Rank 5: 20 FP, Bonus Damage: +15, 15% Chance

[Skill]: Axe Skill. Single. The user performs a powerful overhead strike, causing it to deal bonus damage and diminish the target's weapon durability (based on rank). Their DEF is reduced by 2*Rank for 2 rounds.
--> Rank 1: Learn skill, 12 FP, 4M, Bonus Damage: +4, -1 Weapon Durability
--> Rank 2: 14 FP, Bonus Damage: +8, -2 Weapon Durability
--> Rank 3: 16 FP, Bonus Damage: +12, -3 Weapon Durability
--> Rank 4: 18 FP, Bonus Damage: +16, -4 Weapon Durability
--> Rank 5: 20 FP, Bonus Damage: +20, -5 Weapon Durability

[Disarm]: Sword Skill. Single. When an enemy within 1 Range you are facing attacks you, there is a chance (based on rank) you will draw your sword and counteract, disarming their weapon and nullifying any damage. Prevents the use of the weapon in their main hand and appropriate skills for two rounds.
--> Rank 1: Activation Chance: SKI/4%
--> Rank 2: Activation Chance: SKI/3%
--> Rank 3: Disarming the target inflicts 10% hesitation for those two rounds.
--> Rank 4: Activation Chance: SKI/2%
--> Rank 5: If an enemy is beside you, there is a SKI/4% chance you can disarm them.

[Black Knight]

[Checkmate]: A heavy attack iconic to the Black Knights, using their heavy armor to crush and stun their opponent with power. On use, attacks a nearby target. If the attack hits, you deal bonus damage equal to your DEF, and stun chance based on rank.
--> Rank 1: Learn skill, 17 FP, 5M, Stun Chance: WPN Weight/2 + 2%
--> Rank 2: 19 FP, 5M, Stun Chance: WPN Weight/2 + 4%
--> Rank 3: 21 FP, 5M, Stun Chance: WPN Weight/2 + 6%
--> Rank 4: 23 FP, 4M, Stun Chance: WPN Weight/2 + 8%
--> Rank 5: 25 FP, 4M, Stun Chance: WPN Weight/2 + 10%

[Board Shaker]: You slam your foot into the ground, shaking the earth around you and dealing Earth magic damage to all enemies in a 2 Range circle equal to your STR + your torso's weight, to a maximum based on Rank.
--> Learn Skill, 17 FP, Max Damage: 25
--> Learn Skill, 19 FP, Max Damage: 50
--> Learn Skill, 21 FP, Max Damage: 75
--> Learn Skill, 23 FP, Max Damage: 100
--> Learn Skill, 25 FP, Max Damage: 125

[First Law]: An object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a greater force. Black Knights are conditioned to gain momentum from bypassing these lesser forces. When you take physical damage equal or less than your WIL + a bonus based on Rank, you gain an additional +1 momentum. Requires Heavy Armor.
--> Rank 1: Learn skill, Trigger: WIL+2
--> Rank 2: Trigger: WIL+4
--> Rank 3: Trigger: WIL+6
--> Rank 4: Trigger: WIL+8
--> Rank 5: Trigger: WIL +10

Additional Comment: As you can see, my opinions on scaling and FP costs are completely different than Dev's and maybe others. But at a later date, I might end up reviewing other classes using the same perspective (glares at the heals).

Posting this old thing here so people can find it and it doesn't get lost. If he ever comes back, he can just take all the stuff and repost it later.

[quote]- By Wesan

Boom.

Once upon a time...
- I need you pro.
- Wut?
- Make Something to calculate Growth!
- I'll think about it.

Can we get a longer signature limit?

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And maybe bigger avatars?

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And this would be nice, too.

Since there's been a bunch of complaints about Dodge in general. The main point always ends up with 'Kensei Passives', which are quite ridiculous but they're actually required since Kensei has no other good skills/passives to throw points in. Aside from Absolute Death/Fear which the former has been nerfed to a reasonable amount. Kensei skills are by no means good or decent, or at least most of them aren't. Scaling off of 75% of STR with a relatively high FP cost for melee, which is somewhat offset by the FP regen and FP usage for using two skills.

tl dr; Kensei Passives are a bit too good, while everything that does damage. (Not counting AD) Are laughably weak and no one uses most of them.



Proposed Rework of Skills #1

Lower Base Momentum cost to 3 for skills that don't have a special effect other than range. (2 with Katana)
Wazabane is considered an effect skill so it's base momentum is 4.

Proposed Rework of Skills #2
Raise to full STR scaling for all skills.
Or leave out effect skills for this as well.

Proposed Rework of Skills #3
Add more momentum when critting with a Kensei skill. (Could be an extra passive)


As for Passives; I'm not entirely sure how to change them according to the skill changes. But honestly; passives are really all a Kensei has and it supports other classes a tad bit too well.

Also, don't turn this into a cesspool of arguments and at least try to keep your point concise.

A legend extension that lets you break down Vorpal and Divine weaponry < that have a base material like iron and coral > for a 10% chance to get a catalyst that matches them. Gets rid of spending an entire level up to get said thing.

Prepare for the absolute suffering...!
Yes, this is one of those lame Absolute Death threads. Currently, the skill applies the Hunted status to the target, increasing damage by the % your rank gives you. In its fifth rank, it makes it a 50% damage increase for almost everything.

What if the full % only works for basic attacks and Kensei skills? Anything that isn't Kensei only gets its damage boosted by 25% at max rank.

(That includes Power Gradation and other Duelist skills. Maybe apply this to guns basic attacks too. They ignore defense.)

Topic is Ferns, just posting things over here.

Okay so. I'm going to make a post about why dodge is hillariously bullshit, but lets go ahead and do this song and dance again. Yes, I'm making a post because dodge is overpowered.

Let's lay out some guidelines of who the fighters are, and stats.

Over here, we have a level 57 MG/Tactician

93 Accuracy Spirit Hunter, Blessed. Max Marksmanship, Max Dynamic Shooting.
SKI*2+0.5LUC+FAI+10+16+93
54*2+0.5*42+26+10+16+93 = 274 Hit

In our other corner, we have a level 55 Kensei/Verglas!

82 Celerity, 35 Luck, 16 Dodge Armor, Agile Feet, After Image, and UnA. Prowess
(CEL*2+LUC+16+6+20)*1.06
(82*2+35+16+6+20)*1.06 = 255.46, or for short, 255 Dodge.

So, in a typical fight, this looks like the Magic Gunner would have an actual decent chance to hit the dodger. However, this is a dirty, dirty lie.

In reality, that hit is automatically dropped from 274, down to 232.9 from a simple .innate. boost.

274*0.85 = 232.9 Hit

So now it's already bad. with the MG standing at a -23% chance to hit.

232.9 hit vs 255 dodge

Now, you all can say "Oh well you have Attack Formation! You can have charged shot give +25!"

Well.. that'd be good, except Attack Formation is just +25, putting me at a whopping 2% to hit, IF I didn't lose 15% of that as well, which lah-dee-dah I do. So that's not usable at all. Same goes for Charged Shot. I guess if I want to overcharge then flick safety on, I might have the ability to do that. Except I still get -15% to that, and..

Oh wait. What's this? They just feared me with Absolute Fear.

-30 hit. Putting the MG at

202.9 Hit vs 255 Dodge

There is no, feasible, way to get out of this. The 'hit buff' forever ago, that 'broke dodging 4ever LOLZ' actually made the game more balanced than it had ever been, because dodge was so utterly stacked it was nigh impossible to hit. Except whenever you hit a possible 1% chance and insta-gibbed them because blessed OP.

Not only do they have utter dominance in the "YOU HAVE TO HIT ME. HUE HUE HUE!" portion, but they can translate that celerity of 82, DIRECTLY into damage with 0 effort. Rapid Kick utterly annihilated the MG, dealing about 140~ damage as an auto-hit... WITHOUT the Ice Greaves.

The fight was impossible to win on the MG's side, they pulled out as much stuff as they could, only being able to reach -10% after ANALYZING them for -16% dodge onto the enemy.

Hit: -9.81718%


This is absurd, and really had gone unchecked for way to long. Chaos and I did number crunching forever ago proving that Dodge was ovepowered and obscene, but I never really got to actually view it in play. To fight against a Kensei, you have to have the Kensei Innates so that you can even have a dream of hitting them.

Hello folks! I've noticed that recently (Read: Since Forever), people haven't been treating the suggestions thread very well! Yes, of course, it's okay to disagree, but people aren't disagreeing productively. Hopefully, this guide will fix some of that!

Also, I found a pretty neat photo guide that I think will help illustrate my point. Which spurred this.

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Now! A primer! The basis of a suggestion, argument, or refuting an argument is "proof"! Things aren't so cut and dry with a suggestion, though, so "reasons" are more needed! Without reasons and decent support for them, no one will (or should) care about your opinion! Make sure you back up everything you say with reasons, and when applicable, proof.

Now, here is the Pyramid of Reasoning!



First off, Refuting the Central Point

This is the easiest way to "win" an argument, if you want to put it that way. In this instance, quite simply, your opponent is flat-out, without a doubt wrong, with proof. There is no room for a counter-argument, because the whole basis of their argument is flawed.

EX:
P1: Shaitans need a boost to make up for their 300% Water weakness!
P2: Shaitans don't have a 300% Water weakness!
P1: My mistake!

Secondly, Refutation

This is a step down from the all-powerful Refutation of the Central Point, as instead of targeting the other side's central argument, you target a "pillar" of their argument, so that their argument is no longer as strong or valid! This still uses "proof", however, so it's very useful.

EX:
P1: Umbrals are too weak! Their 50% Light Weakness at night time completely keeps them from grinding, as Spatials will attack that weakness and kill them!
P2: If the Light weakness is a problem, you could only grind during the day time. You can also use Light-resisting equipment to make the damage less severe, as well as Blind Spatials so that they won't use Light-based attacks.
P1: I don't agree, but that's true. I'll look for some Sunglasses and an Irisgold.

Third, Counterargument!

Down at this stage, "opinions" are mostly used instead of "facts". You may not be able to change someone else's mind, but you can state why or why not you think a suggestion is viable or not! Counterarguments can be counter-argued as well, since, of course, it's all very opinionated!

EX:
P1: Humans need a buff. They don't have anything which makes them stand out like other races, and are overly balanced, leading them to be underpowered.
P2: Humans aren't made to be powerful, in my opinion. They get extra SP because they're made to have higher utility instead of raw strength.
P1: I don't believe that extra SP make Humans viable as a race, though I see where you're coming from. I would like if they got more benefits.

Halfway there, Contradiction!

Down at this level, you're not being very productive. You're essentially telling the other person they're wrong, without a -reason-. You might as well not post.

EX:
P1: Wraithguard needs to have a higher chance to activate, in my opinion.
P2: Wraithguard is strong enough, and works just fine.

(As you can see, nothing worthwhile was said. P2 is essentially just showing off their opinion, which is good, but they have no reasons or evidence! Which is not!)

Over the hump, Responding to Tone.

We're getting more and more useless. At this point, you aren't even responding to a person's ideas, but how their ideas are voiced. Of course, being pleasant is a plus, but it shouldn't have any bearing on the ideas themselves! Of course, flaming people is never allowed, but reprimanding someone should be separate from your opinions.

EX:
P1: Vampires having a Holy weakness is stupid, that should be removed, or lowered. Whoever thought of this is an idiot.
P2: Dev isn't an idiot. Shut up before you get banned.

(Obviously, both people are wrong in this. Can you tell why?)

Second to last, Ad-Hominem.

A very dastardly technique used to discredit someone else's opinion! It may be valid, but if their opinions are truly invalid, you should be able to discredit them without stooping to this level.

EX:
P1: I think Ghosts need to get some buffs.
P2: You're just saying that because you play a Ghost. Stop trying to twist the game in your favor.

Last for Worst, Name Calling.

If you do this, may whatever gods exist have mercy on you. You've flamed, added nothing to the conversation, and have taken up space. Shame on you. There's no excuse for this.

EX:
P1: I have an idea!
P2: You're a fucking idiot, shut up. That's not true at all. You might as well not even post here, go kill yourself retard.

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This concludes the lesson! Go forth and prosper, my children.